Saturday, August 15, 2020

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  • “He thought of the telescreen with its never-sleeping ear. They could spy upon you night and day, but if you kept your head you could still outwit them. With all their cleverness they had never mastered the secret of finding out what another human being was thinking. . . . Facts, at any rate, could not be kept hidden. They could be tracked down by inquiry, they could be squeezed out of you by torture. But if the object was not to stay alive but to stay human, what difference did it ultimately make? They could not alter your feelings; for that matter you could not alter them yourself, even if you wanted to. They could lay bare in the utmost detail everything that you had done or said or thought; but the inner heart, whose workings were mysterious even to yourself, remained impregnable.”

    Turn over Eric.

  • “I still do not understand how in a world where people consider themselves to be a society based on “justice”, on “freedoms”, that same justice system treats ALL persons who have seen a shrink, as suspicious and not worth of the same rights, or standards of care as anyone else.”

    Consider how the German people saw themselves during the 1940s sam, and that in that “free” and “just” society the consequences of ticking the box marked “Juden” on your National identity record? All that justice and freedom just went out the window.

    I am not a fan of book burning so I don’t want to see it destroyed. I think some years down the track it will stand a bit like the book I read about how National Socialist administrators were struggling to get good seats made for their trucks as a result of the delousing program in the camps (many of the finest truck seats made by people of Jewish backgrounds). The matter of fact manner they spoke about their crimes against humanity seems obvious to us now, though at the time I’m sure it was written in ‘good faith’ as seeing that soldiers were comfortable in their work delivering free labour to those areas that required it.

    Actually theres a good documentary called “The Act of Killing” that covers the Suharto death squads (Hi to the doctor in the Emergency Dept assisting my State with whistleblowers) and how they come to a realisation of what they actually did. At first they sit bragging to one another about how vicious they were in their torturing and killing of communists, and then realised it was all being recorded and they saw themselves from ‘outside’. Like Michael Douglas in Falling Down, “you mean I’m the bad guy?” lol

  • The quote is actually from an old ‘movie’ called Babakiueria’. A look at what it would have been like if things had happened in reverse in Australia. The quote is from about 17:00 mins.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqcFg4z6EYY&t=566s

    I’ve just woken from a nightmare pondering things, and guess your comment eases some pain in a way. Consider;

    I get tortured and kidnapped and the hospital does a cover up and ‘fuking destroys’ me. They do a good job on me leaving me homeless and totally psychologically destroyed to the point of suicide. My family gone, everything I own stolen from me, and i’m living on the streets because I dared to complain and got the proof via the FOI process.

    Even my own legal representatives stabbed me in the back by accepting fraudulent documents knowing that if they looked at the real set they would be responsible for acting on the use of torture methods, so they conspire to pervert the course of justice with the Operations Manager at the hospital. Police are despatched to retrieve the documents I have and they arrange to have me killed in an Emergency Dept, someone interferes thinking why kill me, just gaslight me to suicide and it’s all fixed. Picked up a killer in the ED in the process.

    Fast forward a couple of years. I go through the process with someone qualified to understand the legal consequences of what happened. As I am going through the documents I notice that the documents I have, and the documents sent to my legal representatives are not the same. Put two lawyers in two rooms with either set, and they would come to very different conclusions. This of course is criminal fraud changing legal narrative and then providing that to lawyers (the attached memo authorising the changes by the Clinical Director calls it “editing”). It conceals the offences of torture and kidnapping (and others). This is also not a crime committed against me, but the whole community.

    So I get to speak to some lawyers who ………. well all I can really speak about is what I know to be true at this point (one senior lawyer ensuring I receive ineffective representation from someone who was involved in the original concealment. They obviously have motive to get out of what they did, and will throw me under the bus for the person looking and noticing the crimes. Then rinse lather repeat on the pervert the course of justice. It’s clever being able to deny someone who is the vicitm of torture access to legal represntation). I have exposed an act of criminal fraud that was done in order to conceal the torture and kidnapping of a citizen, and then some really disgusting conduct to fuking destroy the victim of that torture and kidnapping. This is not in contention, and anyone who says it is can look, the proof is there. So, given the vicious attack on me what would you think the State would do? I mean check the conditions of the Convention against the use of Torture as to what they SHOULD do, assist and not continue to threaten me or my family (witnesses). And yet what ARE they doing? I can point you to at least three witnesses that have been threatened by Police to remain silent. Though a Police Siperintendent tells me in writing that they have received no complaint about police threatening witnesses so nothing to see there. Imagine, your going to go to police and complain about them threatening when you have borne witness to someone being subjected to what I have? One of them (a psychologist) said he could no longer speak to me because he was afraid for his families safety.

    Also consider that thinking the documents have been retrieved and then acting as if the matter has been covered up meant that the letter from the Chief Psychitrist denying any knowledge of the torture and kidnapping would be accpeted. Exposing that he knew of the crimes and had chosen to go along wth the fraud committed by the hospital???? Anyone want to take a look at his letter of response to the Mental Health Law Centre? You would be shocked with knowledge of what is in the real set of documents. Knew about the crimes, thought the hospital had police retrieve the documents, and went along with the fraud. FACT (or at least I can say the author of the response to the complaint went along with the fraud knowingly. I have some doubts about someone with “expert legal knowledge” writing the poison pen letter given to me, though the lawyers claim they didn’t have time to read it. Which was really fortunate because the Chief Psychiatrist doesn’t even understand the protections for “consumers, carers and the community” afforded by the very Act he is charged with administering. How bizarre. I did write to them and ask that they tell the Emperor that he had no clothes but they were busy assisting the criminals and were not interested in ensuring the person charged with protecting the public understood the law and did their duty. Best he be left to stray and leave us all exposed to torture and kidnappings.)

    The lawyers? All run away and left me to continue to be ‘fuking destroyed’. What they are obtaining for that viciousness I don’t know, but …. what I can say is that the Minister for Health is certainly doubling down on the States criminal conduct. He says my complaining is an illness despite me knowing he has access to the proof of what i’m saying. Though I’m certain he feels the need to conceal the criminal conduct to maintain the reputation of his mental health services who aren’t doing a lot of torturing, kidnapping and killing. Well, we would never really know given he is also authorising the distribution of fraudulent documents by hospitals to conceal criminality, and allowing unintended negative outcomes to do effective cover ups.

    I accept I may be insane, but why is it that when I exposed these fraudulent documents sent to the Mental Health Law Centre has everyone gone into a panic and then found it easier to fuking destroy me AGAIN for speaking the truth? (Police threatening to arrest me for having my own medical records showing I was ‘spiked’ with benzos which leads to questions as to why) I get it human rights lawyers and people with a duty to protect citizens from torture should’t be engaged in assisting in the concealment of torture but we need to understand their need for funding. If they don’t commit the crimes of perverting the course of justice and compound conceal evidence of criminal offences, their money will be cut off by the Minister.

    So me parting with my loved ones because Police and Mental Health Services don’t like the truth that they tortured and kidnapped me seems a small price for the Minister to pay. My career and home utterly destroyed and he still can’t bring himself to call a spade a spade and prefers the terms “referral” and “assessment” when he know that this is not right, unless one maintains the fraud (ie utters, further criminal conduct by the Minister). They destroy my family and even with the truth lawyers turn their backs and won’t even assist me to have my property returned so I can leave this vile country that is committing human rights abuses and concealing them with fraud, slander and convenience killings. Enjoy your free lunch Minister.

    Still, I digress, how’s the weather in your neck of the woods? lol

  • Makes sense as to why the guy (Senior Medical Officer) who coerced me to remove my clothes (you do it or we pin you down and do it) in a locked ward, knowing I had been spiked with benzos, and proceeded to insert objects into my mouth or anus when I had expressly denied my consent, was also an Ordained Minister.

    He did also sign a prescription for the benzos I had been spiked with 12 hours before he even knew of my existence, and after they had been administered. I wonder what other ‘concealments’ this person has been making in the locked ward of the mental institution he was working at? Imagine if any of the victims of childhood rape (by the likes of Fr. Gerald Ridsdale) ever turned up there, would he have declared a conflict of interest? Or would he have ensured they were never heard with a label and a fist full of drugs, like the list he wrote out to silence me with.

    Nice comment Sylvain, I’d like to hear more from you.

  • “Therapy is the best modality to address people’s self-hating thoughts, after being abused.”

    Even when the abuse is the result of an abusive therapist?

    Not going to bother you with what has been done to me but the last person I would trust in this world right now would be a therapist. $200 for telling my wife to drug me without my knowledge and plant a knife and some cannabis on me to obtain a police referral. Lessons in how to torture and kidnap and avoid any legal consequences?

    “Psychiatry can redeem itself by going back to the basics. It is breathtakingly simple.”

    Psychiatry is not redeemable. All we can hope is that these people who use the same tactics as Islamic State to enforce their moral code end up sharing the same space in Hell.

    Oh, and speaking of breathtakingly simple, want to know how to torture and kidnap citizens as a psychologist? Read some of my history. It really is breathtakingly simple, and not a soul will dare stand up and say it’s wrong. That’s the sort of power being weilded by these organised criminals who have hijacked our communities with their ‘medicine’.

    Good luck Doc

  • “Parting with a loved one is never easy. I said goodbye to my mother recently when she went on holiday. So I know how they (Aboriginal parents having their children stolen by the State to be raised as white people) feel”.

    It’s for their own good of course. Not that the people doing the stealing were affected by any of their policies. In fact in some cases they have profited from it. And the “Sorry” had to be wrenched from their clutches? I guess empathy must be considered a ‘disease’ in some circles.

    Good article Sarah.

  • Just digging around the site of the Association for the Prevention of Torture and I note that the list of “Partners in Prevention” is a list of all the people who have assisted in the concealment of the torture and kidnapping I was subjected to.

    It reminded me of the “exclusions” in the Mental Health Act being a list of things to not write down on the Forms when your drugging someone into oblivion. Don’t like gays? No probls, just don’t put that down as the reason your locking them up okay Community Nurse. Verbal it up a bit, did he admit to smoking a bit of pot 30 years ago? “History of heavy illicit drug use”, Does he believe in God? “Hearing voices and delusional beliefs expressed”. He refused to answer questions about his sex life? “Possible breaches of the Perversions Act of 1916” (No such Act exists but our Chief Psychiatrist doesn’t even know the provisions of the Mental Health Act so no chance of him knowing. According to him “reasonable grounds” are whatever the Community Nurse writes on the Form, despite them not actually relating to anything he was told. Refusing to answer a question is grounds for detention? Wow, if police knew that……..) “refused to answer re substance abuse” This from a man who knew I had been ‘spiked’ with benzos? he knew more about my substance abuse than I did, why didn’t he write that down on the Form? Maybe because he was engaging in conspiring to pervert the course of justice? Oh yeah, bit much expecting him to document his crimes, or the two police who stood and watched him commit these offences. Like they care, they were turning away children who had been repeatedly raped for 40 years.

    People being locked up and force drugged in my State for literally nothing more than a Community Nurse want to do it. And Police will provide him with a referral to overcome the protections afforded the community and enable arbitrary detention and torture.

    I’ll keep digging in the hope of finding someone who actually believes that torturing citizens is wrong. Though ten years of trying, and not a soul prepared to say why it wasn’t torture (because the fact they distributed fraudulent documents demonstrates they knew it was. Imgine human rights lawyers ensuring they don’t obtain the proof of torture so they don’t have to assist the victim of torture. Well done Mental Health Law Centre, your a disgrace to lawyers everywhere.) Just ignore him and hopefully we have gaslighted him enough so that he takes his own life, because the slaughter program for whistleblowers/torture victims in the Emergency Dept has been temporarily closed due to COVID 19 (and some people having to leave town rather quickly when they were tipped off (by whom? Police? Sorry we did our best but we can’t have victims of torture turning up in police stations with the proof. Making referrals and them turning up dead might raise some eyebrows at the Coroners office if there are too many)) Rotten to the core.

    It really is about making people think they are in on the secret. Just between you and me …….. and this type of conspiring is rampant in these ‘institutions’ of torture.

  • Canada? Hey I’ve managed to get a pair of Ice Skates, but they don’t have golf courses there right?

    I’d like to go where all the old Nazis went. at least there’s a chance they learned from their mistakes, rather than like this place where we rinse lather repeat.

    I note today another ‘victim’ of the lawyer Nicola Gobbo has been released on bail. Imagine police thinking there was nothing wrong with using a criminal lawyer as a paid police informer. Oh well, the guy who spent 12 years in jail for a murder he didn’t do is at least home for lockdown due to cornona. Which is more than Scott Austic has despite spending 13 years in prison for a number of items ‘planted’ at the scene of the murder of his girlfriend.

    I suppose that eventually someone will notice that our court system has been corrupted to this point? I mean I must admit I was shocked once I realised that the documents that the lawyers accepted were fraudulent. Even more shocked to find out they were involved in the concealment of torture and kidnapping by public officers. Human Rights Lawyers assisting in the concealment of torture, read that with care as it is a fact. With those sorts of breaches of trust and confidence occurring it really is best to get out of the place. Some people might find it pleasant to live in a sewer, and it appears no one seems to give a damn about police and mental health finding methods to torture and kidnap citizens, preferring to neglect their duty and ‘fuking destroy’ victims.

    All that honorable talk amounts to nothing. Even the hypocrites can’t say anything despite them going on record as being against the use of torture. Secretly they support it, but who would vote for them with that truth being known? The “oh well, sometimes a little bit may be necessary, and i’m sure the bitch was asking for it” excuse.

    I sent a letter to one of our Members of Parliament asking what cimes I was committing by having documents proving I was tortured and kidnapped? She is a lawyer and I would assume it would be an easy question to answer, but …… apparently she ignores anything that doesn’t involve pay rises for politicians due to the good job they are doing neglecting their duty to act over breaches of the Conventions signed by them. Human rights? What are they to we who don’t consider our slave class human until it’s time to vote.

    They really do disgust me, and I look forward to the day when just one person is prepared to assist me in getting my belongings back so I can leave. Even my own Muslim brothers…… they think that not eating a jellybean during daylight hours during Ramadan will get them into heaven, but turning their backs on their brothers being tortured by the State and murdered for complaining won’t even come into the equation. I wonder if they have even read the same Book as me at times. Because like the Police it only seems to be found at times when the narrative suits their purpose.

    How great is Allah to test them in this manner? What issues from their mouths does not seem to relate to what is in their hearts. Who am I to judge though? All I know is that I have been viciously attacked by the State, and not a soul prepared to say this is wrong. Can’t blame them, there’s plenty of room in the showers for them and their families too. We wait, because there will come a day when these people are held to account. Claiming that they did what they did because of the instructions of others (people who have demonstrated a willingness to lie and commit acts of fraud to conceal torture, are now treated as if their word can be trusted, and their non action for ten years and concealment of criminal conduct should be admired. Because they let me slip the net with the proof, and still managed to cover it up again with police threatening a psychologist to obtain information. And of course the assitance of another lawyer prepared to breach the trust of their ‘client’. Not unlike Gobbo. I think about “Shallow Grave” If you can’t trust your friends, what then? No one in this State can trust any doctor or State authority due to the fact they are breaking the law and breaching your rights to conceal their criminality)? They will be left in the lurch, and their companions in this vile conduct will be nowhere to be found.

    Consider the work involved in covering up these crimes? And my wife literally went on the internet and had another man ready to move in within weeks. Police assist in the retrieval of the documents and a Violence Restraining Order is applied for (this is a problem because the matters before the court means that the perversion of justice is a fact. Despite the cancellation of this once they thought that they had retrieved the documents form me. Police once again needing lawful reason to chase me all over the State to retrieve the proof of crimes by public officers. Police detain me while my wife goes through my documents and retrieves the ones the hospital wishes to conceal before committing an act of criminal fraud.)

    Still the truth doesn’t matter to a police Force that cares nothing about facts, and more about ensuring they plant the right evidence to deceive the court authorities.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-14/scott-austic-wins-appeal-over-life-jail-murder-stacey-thorne/12245564

    “What ya gunna do when your well runs dry? I’d like to know.”

    Trust is earned from doing the right thing, even when it is the most difficult to do.

  • “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.” Mathew 7:6

    If only the filthy slandering animal that attended my home didn’t have the right to enlist the assistance of police to torture and kidnap this might be a good verse. “Let there be no compulsion in religion” my Book tells me, and as a result of that I do believe this medical cult claiming to have the powers of fortune telling and mind reading is doomed. There is a joy that comes with that thought, and then I realise the true consequences of what will occur and i’m saddened.

    My hatred for the National Socialists and what they did to so many people is only tamed when I look at the pictures of them hanging at Nueremburg. Justice tends to be like that.

  • Couldn’t agree more Ria.

    “For the purposes of this Convention, the term “torture” means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.”

    The “offical” definition.

    I note the recent discussions at the UN regarding the use of ‘soft’ tortures (the ‘psychological’ tortures that are much more difficult to prove, as opposed to hard tortures).

    In my instance I was assaulted via the ‘spiking’ with benzodiazepines (one element of the use of hard torture a physical assault like punching to the head), and then an “acute stress reaction” induced by jumping me in my bed by police (enlisted via a ‘lie’ by a Community Nurse to assist with his “patient”) The two DO NOTS of an acute stress reaction are (1) DO NOT prescribe benzos and (2) DO NOT force the person to talk (especially when thye have been ‘spiked’ and then had weapons used to force them to talk).

    So how is this not considered torture given that it was done by two people who did it knowing I would not talk to a Community Nurse (or any other mental health professional) willingly? And then the acquiescence of public officers to conceal the ‘spiking’ by kidnapping and having me delivered to a dcotor prepared to sign a prescription for drugs used to spike someone and enable torture? An Ordained Minister none the less.

    Because knowing they did not meet the criteria of the Mental Health Act for detention, they planted items to enable police to detain under s. 68 (e) of the Criminal Code. Once police had handed me over to these consprators then they had lawful sanction and could torture with impunity.

    Of course if police werre to do their duty they would have arrested these people for conspiring to torture, stupefy without knowledge to commit an indictable offence namely kidnapping but ……. I guess being able to set people up to exploit the loophole of the definition of torture (ie obtain lawful sanction to enable police to open up the right to torture for mental health professionals, who can then hand you back to police and it isn’t torture anymore) means that the Convention is useless. Totally useless when the people with a duty to ensure the rights given by it are ignored or covered up with convenience killings (refoulment).

    Of course me having the proof of this has been a slight inconvenience to my government. They have had to ensure the silence of a number of people who have become aware of their vile conduct, and how they have been concealing acts of torture (and a few knocks).

    This has been faily easy as I have a trusting nature and when people tell me they don’t agree with torture and will help, only to take documents from me and then breach agreements regarding that evidence/proof I am further refouled and find myself wanting to die. I just assumed that people had a revulsion for torture, not that they were considering it medical treatment. Even Machiavelli didn’t go that far. But I guess it’s important that the public don’t become aware that our police and mental health services have found a means to torture citizens and then conceal any proof of those offences via the distribution of fraudulent documents to lawyers (advocates who assist in concealing human rights abuses? Speak to the Mental Halth Law Centre about their role as a Venus Fly Trap for the State sanctioned torture program) and the unintended negative outcomes that are faily easily achived in an Emergency Dept which police tell me it’s best they don’t know about. Who is it they actually Protect and Serve? Organised criminals? Human rights abusers?

    The Convention suggests the appointmemnt of a Committee to investigate claims made up of ‘people of good standing’. Let me say that thse would be difficult to find in the State I live in, where access to legal representation is denied and your own representative prefers outcomes that suit the State and make what is torture a ‘medical procedure’.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdwyAcJ8j2U

    3 minutes. Is this torture? Or merely the use of a coercive method? Has Raymonds life been affirmed by this ‘treatment’? Because it’s a method being used and is not considered torture. And much more effective if you can ‘spike’ Ramond prior to the interrgation, as can be done in my State according to the Minister for Health and our Chief Psychiatrist. All you need is a doctor prepared to sign off on it post hoc. And I can make a referral to one.

    I’ve much more to say but find myself severly traumatised. Though I’m much better these days after ten years of living on the street without my family. And I must say I really should have appreciated the concern of these people over me losing some sleep and not eating properly for a couple of days. Mind you the cost to me of not sleeping properly as a result of being jumped in my bed and tortured, kidnapped and then nearly killed for complaining has probably escaped their notice. They had other victims to deal with.

    I would have assumed they would allow me to obtain my belongings and leave. Not so, my wife obviously aware of the States need to ‘fuking destroy’ me (she was after all conspiring with them to do precisely that) and ensure I can not get access to the courts means she gets to keep everything I ever worked for (including my family photos, passport, birth certificate, degrees, employment references …… and my daughter and grandchildren who have no blood tie to her. The Police knee jerk reaction is to destroy a persons family to ensure they become vulnerable. It makes retrieving documented proof of criminal conduct by public officers so much easier to deal with via a bullet and a label). And we’re paying taxes for this?

  • P.S. Dalel

    Make sure you use hard copies of letters etc. On paper. The electronic copies of records can be manipulated and changed. If you receive emails print them out, and put them away in an archive. And ensure that with important items even you don’t know where they are as police may decide to use ‘coercive’ measures on you to find out “who else has the documents”.

    Once the State becomes the criminals your in for a wild ride. Because they really don’t care who they hurt, and nor do the people who claim they are ‘advocates’ who will leave you in the lurch for a few sheckles.

    They hate the truth and will conceal it with falsehoods. What one needs to realise is that they hate the truth that what they are doing is torturing people, and thus they conceal it with the falsehood that what they are doing s medicine. Consider deeply what can be done to a citizen is limited, what can be done to a “patient” is not. And in my State a citizen can have their status changed post hoc. Torture by police can be concealed post hoc by a doctor prepared to sign fraudulent documents. Care to see the ‘prescription’ signed for the drugs I was spiked with post hoc?

    Spiked with benzos, detained against my will, tortured during interrogation and kidnapped and then delivered to a doctor to make me into a “patient”, and phew it’s all now lawful. That’s not what i’d call procedural fairness lol. Any wonder police can’t find their copy of the Criminal Code?

  • I’m one of the lucky ones in many ways dalel.

    What to document? Literally everything. Any contact you have with these people at all, document when with who and what was said or agreed to. It may seem insignificant now but …..

    I’ll give you an example. I get spiked and kidnapped. I try and obtain the documents but am subjected to the ‘run around’ by the hospital FOI officer who is knowingly commiting criminal offences (conspiring to pervert the course of justice, coneal evidence of a criminal offence etc). She, with the assistance of my wife tries to have me sign a document that would release her from these offences with a little trick (its actually quite clever when you look at what she did to deceive. Three letters, one requiring a signature, remove the other two and you are off the hook should anyone ask any questions regarding your conduct) I refused to sign and eventually after 6 weeks I received my documents showing I had been drugged without my knowledge.

    At this point I wrote a letter to the FOI officer explaining my disgust at what she did and detailed that I had only just been informed of the spiking on this date. That letter at the time seemed insignificant and was in some ways just a fuk you to the FOI officer, but I now realise had I not written it and detailed events, they could have claimed I was informed earlier and therefore their conduct was not criminal. They are pathological liars who will say anything to manipulate outcomes, and thus all they would need to do was say I had been informed by them and I had forgotten.

    They had the opportunity to respond to my letter to correct any errors and failed to do so (as what I had said was true and correct). Any later claim would certainly be questionable, and the Courts would certainly have to accept what was written before any verbal statement made after the fact with motive to lie.

    So if someone makes a verbal agreement with you, confirm that agreement in writing with them.

    Keep good records despite the fact it is a lot of work because you simply can not trust these people. They have an outcome in mind and will do whatever is necessary to achieve that outcome, including criminal fraud. They will receive assistance in those offences from police. And believe me no one will believe you even when you put the proof in front of them, so document that as well. They are so used to manipulating situations that they openly stated to me that they would fuking destroy me for complaining about their misconduct, and they meant it. Torture and kidnapping and they are receiving assistance from police to retrieve documents? REALLY? Sounds insane, care to see the proof? I can give you the names of two people threatened by police who ran away wetting their pants.

    They will though, I believe, eventually be exposed. And if they’re unlucky and get the short straw, they might be the one who ends up in prison as a token to all the people who have been harmed over many years. It’s a raffle, but the more tickets you have in the draw, the more likely you are to be pulled out of the hat.

    Good luck and please keep us informed. Though also consider that what you say becomes public knowledge and can be used to ‘fuking destroy’ by the likes of the Operations Manager whose investigation was a cover for gathering information to do precisely that. Machiavelli would be proud of her.

    P.S. if you do make any noise don’t be surprised if your medical records become public knowledge. An ‘accident’ will possibly occur and they will be released, and with the ability to “edit” them you might be surprised at how they paint you in a bad light. People here who speak inconvenient truths tend to appear on cctv pics on tv being sought by police over sexual assaults that never occurred. Despite police knowing who it is in the cctv pictures, and that the person they caught with some meth is merely saying what they want to hear (and is not charged over their possession). Nasty, but effective. same method as having my wife ‘spike’ me and then forgiving her the crime, despite not having the discretionary power to do so. The ends justify the means they tell me.

    Our Courts have become places where false narratives are presented by police, and accepted without question by the courts.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-14/scott-austic-wins-appeal-over-life-jail-murder-stacey-thorne/12245564

    This case was really like a childrens story where a ‘trail’ of evidence was planted and an innocent man went to prison. I could list a load more that have been exposed, though it’s the ones that haven’t been shown that are the concern to our community. The police here do more planting than the State Forestry Dept.

  • It can’t be an easy job being a psychiatrist and doing assessments Doc.

    I think back to my situation where I had a number of people set me up to be locked up and force drugged for not agreeing with them (though unlike your ‘clients’ I did not disagree with a psychiatrist, just some amatuers who had diagnosed my disagreement with them as being a mental illness).

    Some things stand out for me now with the passage of time that weren’t so obvious at first when I was ‘referred’ (I prefer to think of what was done using the strict legal terms of torture and kidnapping but our Minister for Health prefers the terms ‘referred’ and ‘assessed’).

    My wife with the assistance of a psychologist plan to have me ‘referred’ against my will by obtaining a police referral, knowing they had no legal right to make the referral themselves. They did this by ‘spiking’ my drink with benzos to ‘drop’ me and make it easy to plant items (a knife and some cannabis) on my person for police to find, detain lawfully and make an immediate referral to a waiting Community Nurse (who had requested police assistance with a “patient” knowing it was a lie). Police jumped me in my bed causing an “acute stress reaction” and forced me into an interview with the Community Nurse who then ‘verballed’ a Statutory Declaration and had police kidnap me and deliver me to his hospital creating the appearance for his collegues that he had referred someone who police had requested he assess. (a ‘man in the middle’ con if you are aware of the hustle)

    Some things that wouldn’t have been obvious to the staff at the hospital. My wife and her psychologist assistant ensured the clothes I was wearing created the appearance that I was a tramp. I returned to the same hospital a few days later wearing my suit, and with the opportunity to shave and shower wasn’t recognised by a doctor who had assaulted me only days before. And as a doctor I wonder if you would consider that the Community Nurse would inform you that the person you received for assessment had been spiked with benzodiazepines without their knowledge, with someone elses drugs? I would have thought that information important when assessing someone. Especially when the Senior Medical Officer had written down the effects of the spiking and then used that as justification for forced drugging with the same drugs, and others which another doctor claims would have made me very ill.

    In fact when I look back at what was done with the documents showing what was occurring without my knowldege it was like the staff were trying to influence the actions of the assessing psychiatrist by misleading him/her with false information. I guess I was fortunate in that the psychiatrist armed with only the Form 1 (referral justification) went through the items with me and the flimsy straw man was knocked down and I was released without drugging (to drive a motor vehicle at high speeds whilst under the influence of a drug I wasn’t informed I had been given. Duty of Care?).

    Of course it did destroy my life that 7 hours of being interrogated without knowing I had been spiked and was effectively being tortured due to a knowledge by my wife (and assistant) that I would exercise my right to silence. Still, I have found out what can be concealed as medicine as a result, and am sharing that information with as many people as I possibly can before I get snatched from my bed again by police.

    Complaining about such conduct is, according to our Minister of Health a symptom of an illness, and despite the failure of police to retrieve the documented proof of what i’m saying, he insists in calling a conspiracy to stupefy and commit an indictable offence namely kidnapping, ‘referral’ and ‘assessment’. Imagine being so powerful that one could ignore the law? Would that be considered grounds for ‘assessment’ or committment?

    I ask because our Chief Psychiatrist doesn’t recognise what a burden of proof is, and has rewritten the protections of the Mental Health Act out of existence. Suspect on reasonable grounds that a person should be an involuntary patient (standards set out in s. 26 of the Act; criteria of who) he writes is now, suspect on grounds we believe to be reasonable that a person requires an assessment by a psychiatrist. These are two very different statements with very different outcomes.

    One requires standards to be met (which unfortunatley I didn’t meet, hence the need for a police referral) and the belief that I needed to be an “involuntary patient”. The second allows arbitrary detentions based on nothing more than whatever the Community Nurse would like to be reasonable, and the consequences a nice little chat with a psychiatrist (not being drugged without knowledge and assulted to loosen the lips for the ‘assessment’/ interrogation.).

    I realise you live in the US and therefore have a respect for the law, whereas here even when I pointed out the errors of the Cheif Psychiatrist they simply ignore any complaints and ensure I get no access to legal representation. In fact the Minister slanders you even further despite knowing what I am saying is the truth. And when one considers that there is “No superior authority” when it comes to acts of torture, these guys are breaching an International Convention signed and ratified by our Federal Government and do not care one bit. The ability to make torture victims “patients” post hoc will allow breaches of the Convention to go unnoticed I assume for many years to come.

    That’s psychiatry for you, carte blanche and zero accountability. The sending of fraudulent documents to the Mental Health Law Centre who were more than prepared to accept them and reject the documented proof of the ‘spiking’ I have, proof that the game is being fixed by the State. They torture and kidnap, and the lawyers assist in cover ups in return for favors/funding. The Principle even pushing for a job as the Cheif Psychiatrist. How effective would she have been assisting in covering up the torture and kidnapping of citizens in that role? Bad enough she was working as an ‘advocate’ doing it.

    When is the truth a reason to force drug someone? When the State finds the truth about the conduct of their public officers repulsive. Luckily we can unintentionally negatively outcome people in our Emergency Depts here. The dead tell no tales. And now we have a Euthanasia Act, and we know hospitals are distributing fraudulent documents to conceal their misconduct at the request of the State, convenience killings shouldn’t be a problem to assist in dealing with whistleblowers. Don’t believe me about the fraudulent documents? Due diligence would require they are checked before the type of slander issued from the office of the Minister. Of course I know they have checked and continue with the slander anyway, to protect their own interests rather than the community they have a duty to.

    Whether I claim I am not ill or not simply doesn’t matter. It doesn’t change the truth. And yet I watch my community turn their backs on a torture victim because of a slanderous labelling process issuing from organised criminals in our hospitals.

  • “Wow, I’m free! Now what am I going to do with my life?”

    Pick a prison? lol

    I’ve just been for a drive past one of my old high schools and said to my ‘navigator’ about how it was the worst place of my life. I couldn’t even name someone who I would have considered a friend in that place that I spent a year in. I think it had a lot to do with it being a place where there were a lot of what we called surfs and rockers (bogan aussie kids who grow up to be neo nazis basically lol), and I still had a remnant of an English accent from living in the UK for a while.

    I take it all back now I’ve seen the inside of the Ariel Castro Memorial Hospital. At least some of the teachers saw something good about me, unlike the slanderers at the hospital who think that anyone who walks through the door needs to be fuking destroyed.

  • Document and record everything. These people have a history of fraud and will use it to manipulate outcomes. They call this fraud “editing” though in my opinion changing legal narratives to mislead lawyers constitutes fraud. It’s been fortunate for the Clinical Director of the hospital concerned that the police haven’t been able to locate their copy of the Criminal Code for 10 years or he might have found himself living alongside some of the criminals put in prison for shoplifting to feed their families. Concealing evidence of criminal offences such as torture and kidnapping serious matters unless you have friends who can neglect their duty for you.

    Be particularly careful of anyone who offers to ‘assist’ you. Hospital staff will use their ‘investigations’ to identify what proof of matters you have, and will then work with your ‘advocates’ to fuking destroy you (it’s just how administrators of these facilities put it). They lure with bait, and strike with chaos. You will find that the ‘advocates’ and the ‘administrators’ have close working relationships that see them feeding off one another in a symbiotic fashion. Your not invited, or welcome unless your prepared to go along with anything they want.

    Mind you there is an advantage in knowing that they would use you to throw your brother under the bus. They have a tendency to use family members to gaslight their victims. The betrayal does so much more harm when it comes from someone the victim trusts. And it allows them to wash their hands of any responsibility should a negative outcome occur.

    Also keep in mind they will deliberately poison your relationship with your brother. They will lie to him about what you are doing etc. I know in my instance they had my wife running around slandering me to every one of my friends, despute knowing that I did not have an illness, or that I had been examined and released from their ‘care’. Can’t have people listening to the victim right? People simply accept that if your snatched from you home by police to be delivered to a mental institution that something is wrong with you (despite what the documents say). Using that to slander is a highly effective weapon to be used against anyone who has proof of wrongdoing. Ask our Minister for Health who uses this type of slander regularly.

  • You know it’s funny but I’ve never really been bothered by the ‘nuts’ label. My claim when I put the documents I have down in front of someone who has a high level eductaion was that I would assist these criminals in their slandering of me if they wished. But that it doesn’t change the truth.

    Many of my ‘heroes’ have been called ‘insane’, ‘mad’ and what not throughout history, but time has shown who were the mad ones, and where it hasn’t then we need to wait.

    Where are the voices of those who said Noah was mad for building a boat because it was going to rain? I can’t hear them, and if I did I certainly wouldn’t be admitting it.

    Whats that Moses, a burning bush spoke to you? Just wait there while I get the local constabulary to have you delivered to the Voodoo doctor for treatment.

    Psychiatry is God leading the mad astray, and their insanity is being projected onto others and they profit from that insanity. What happens when the lunatics take over the asylum? I’m afraid history provides an answer to that too.

    I guess where I hear slanderous labels I get the feeling that there is more going on that people want silenced. People being tested as to who is best in conduct, and it can be unfortunate when those who our community has trusted are corrupted by the trappings of this world and forget about where they are heading.

    I’ve found that it is not possible to make agreements with anyone as a result of it being the modus operandii these days to use trust to exploit the vulnerable. And watching that cancer spread throughout my community makes me want to leave, all the ‘organs’ now riddled.

    There seems no doubt to me that slander and fraud are serious matters. And what I have seen from the authorities in my State is that is all they have to defend their disgusting behaviour towards someone who did nothing more than not wish to be tortured and kidnapped. Fine, as long as they realise the consequences of taking that path. Because the Emperor really does have no clothes, and we’re all talking about it behind his back (and so he sets up a surveillance system the likes of which we have never seen). I get it that we’re all afraid of telling him because he would likely have us unintentionally negatively outcomed so…….keep right on calling me names. It’s not my nuts people are talking about behind my back lol

  • “And the mainstream doctors don’t want to get rid of that very profitable safety net.”

    That jumped off the page for me SomeoneElse. I’ve spent a lot of time wondering why a cardiologist might want to catch out a psychiatrist in the middle of an unintended negative outcome, and use their position to have police assist in putting that person ‘in his pocket’. How embarrassing for police when they found out the cardiologists cover up had failed and they then found out what he was up to with his ‘little bit of mischief’. Their “might be best I don’t know about thats” come back to haunt them?

    Very profitable indeed having a psychologist at your college councelling service who can make referrals to her husband psychiatrist at a hospital for ‘treatments’. Endless possibilities and with police assisting in the process by retrieving evidence/proof of any wrongdoing? And the psychologist quite prepared to have third parties plant weapons on persons after they have been spiked and use her position to lie and claim that the ‘target’ is a “patient” to public officers who will then do as they’re told. Drop this one at the hospital for my hubby would you officer? Thanks. Not that the politics at the medical faculty would necessitate such viciousness?

    Of course Boans is totally insane and the defence put forward of “they wouldn’t do that” is sound lol (as long as you don’t examine the proof. Ask our Police Superintendent whose negligence is putting our community at serious risk. Referral anyone?). Our elected representatives have taken oaths they have no intention of fulfilling, and are overseeing an organised criminal operation in our hospitals, with the full support of our police service. Still, who would dare try and hold them to account when they can simply snatch you from your bed and have you ….. uhheeemmm unintentionallly negatively outcomed while those with a duty to act neglect that duty.

  • Magnitsky sanctions.

    “You may not be able to solve every problem in the world or respond to every abuse, but you can make sure your country is not a safe haven for despots and war criminals,” she said, appearing via video link from Los Angeles.

    “You can send a message to those who engage in corruption and human rights abuses that Australia’s banks and schools and beaches are off limits.”

    Note she does not mention that our hospitals are off limits? That’s where most of the haven for despots and abusers exists. Surely this is known as a result of the use of Military hospitals by Bashar al Assad for human rights abuses? And that is exactly where they are concealing our human rights abuses, in our hospitals because it is easily concealed and cover ups are so easily implememented. Its standard operating procedure from what I witnessed regarding the distribution of fraud to conceal torture and kidnappings by the State. Call a citizen a “patient” and you can do whatever you like to them, and that is easily achieved via a ‘spiking’ and the planting of a weapon once they collapse. All perferctly lawful according to our Chief Psychiatrist and Minister. Arbitrary detentions and then lawful ‘treatments’ that would otherwise constitute torture if it weren’t for the “inherent in or incidental to lawful sanction” loophole in the Convention (Article 1)

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-15/amal-clooney-parliament-magnitsky-act-inquiry-human-rights/12251286

    Check it out, Russia is poisoning people who don’t agree with what they want? Imagine a government that would poison their own citizens. Of course i’m sure their are two sides to every story and the ‘treatment’ of dissidents who talk about human rights could be misinterpreted. Medications are not poisons Mr Murza, where on earth did you get that idea? And in Australia my government will allow those ‘medications’ to be administrered without your knowledge. Any complaints and we call you a paranoid delusional and we then ‘treat’ you for your illness, or as it was described to me by the Operations Manager of a hospital, we’ll fuking destroy you. This from a woman who makes Vladimir Putin look like Ghandi.

    “If you murder someone or if you torture someone or are involved in other gross human rights abuses, your punishment should not be a revoked visa or a closed bank account.

    “But it’s better than nothing.”

    And at present Australia has NOTHING lol. Nice evening had by all at the football while the Euthanasia Act was being debated Minister? I’d be careful who I was photographed with in public and then posted on Facebook if I were you, especially when your truanting from class. Put that one alongside your picture with Immelda Marcos and your shoe collection?

    I guess when you have a history of making agreements you have no intention of standing by, people know your word is worth nothing. My government ratified the Convention against the use of Torture and ignores it when they get caught torturing, nay in fact they will refoul. Why not sign this agreement too, it would provide further cover for the human rights abuses they are committing. Loopholes galore when you have a human rights absing instrument at you service, and that is exactly what our Mental Health Act does. It is it’s reason detre.

    “They will take their oaths as a cover” it says in my Book. Hypocrites.

  • “these yahoos are against suicide”

    Not in my State they’re not. We passed a Euthanasia Act because doctors wanted it. Make it elective and the exchange of a few Ben Franklins might ease the process of the non existent paper work.

    I mean I get it that they spoke in terms of there being legal ‘protections’ but let me say this. If anyone takes a look at the protections of the Mental Health Act and realises that the person responsible for those protections doesn’t know what they are, or give a damn about them when they are pointed out to him, then of what use are they?

    So people who have a history of ignoring the protections of the law make the claim that they will abide by the protections of the law seems a bit more than rich. Luckily they can simply ignore me and the proof I have of their negligence, fraud and slander, and continue to pass laws they know they will use to enable the killing of citizens and give the appearance of lawfulness.

    Imagine, if doctor happened to not like someone and killed them, and filled out fraudulent documents to conceal that killing, my government has made it possible for that doctor to use the resources of police to retrieve any evidence you have of that killing, and then threaten your family to ensure you shut your mouth about the good people at the hospital killing people for convenience. And they speak about your rights and the protections afforded by the law? Glad all these human rights activists are ensuring these people are held to account, NOT.

    I heard Amal Clooney speak regarding Australia being a ‘trendsetter’ regarding human rights and ensuring that governments like Russia don’t torture and kill bankers for whistleblowing. Why when Australia is torturing and killing people for little more than complaining about torture methods being used under the guise of medicine are being killed, whilst the authorities simply ignore their duty to ensure no action is taken and they can ensure their ‘reputation’ is maintained? Police simply can’t find their copy of the Criminal Code and drop you at an Emergency Dept with a referral for an unintended negative outcome.

    Get a real job lady rather than aiding and abetting in the maintenance of a false narrative for a Nation that is engaging in torture methods and killing anyone who complains and has the proof. Were as bad as them. In fact were worse because people actually trust us.

  • Nice one Harry. Probably your youth but this reminded me of a scene in the movie Full Metal Jacket where a group of soldiers are standing around the corpse of one of their brothers in arms called ‘handjob’ (he was masterbating 7 times a day and was attempting to get a Section 8). Anyway, the conversation went something like what did he die for and one of the new guys said “freedom” to which a more experienced soldier called ‘Mother’ replied that this war was nothing to do with freedom, it was a slaughter. If he was going to die for a word it would be “poontang”.

    I guess my point is that you seem to think that mental health services are about helping people, it’s not. It’s about ensuring the safety of the community (and providing the odd scapegoat when things go wrong), and all that talk about it being about helping people is to get them to enter the ‘showers’ willingly, and with as little resistance as possible. But you have time and will see.

    I do have a question for you though as someone diagnosed with anorexia. It is at present the Holy month of Ramadan and I have been having discussions with some people regarding fasting. Some of them believe in the ‘chemical imbalance’ hypothesis of addiction, and believe that addictions are caused by a reinforcement of ‘happy’ chemicals being released in the brain as a result of ‘pornography’ or ‘drugs’. If this is so then it might explain why some people who can find control of their eating the only thing they can exercise control over their environment reinforced? ie I don’t eat and it gives me a feeling of control, releases the chemicals and I feel good, therefore I dont eat it releases the chemicals ….. I assume you get the picture? So my question. Is asking someone who has this ‘disorder’ to fast for a month a bit like asking a heroin addict to take drugs for a month and then stop again?

    Anyway, good luck with your studies and don’t for a minute fool yourself that psychiatry is ‘medicine’. If you start believing that, see your Doctor lol.

  • Just a point that I got thinking about one day then my head started to hurt.

    Our Shadow Minister for Mental Health was the first openly gay man to marry in this country on the steps of Parliament House. I got to thinking that this guy was old enough to remember when he would have been ‘treated’ for his ‘illness’ by psychiatrists some years ago with a chemical castration and ECTs until his head hurt. There would probably have been gangs waiting outside Parliament for him to come out who would have beaten him senseless with baseball bats, and if he had reported that to police he probably would have received a second beating and a few tazer belts to the testicles.

    My how things have changed, and I was glad to see this man in the position he found himself. I don’t think he would have been as accommodating as the person who has taken over that role, and who is providing Docs with whatever they request (possibly as a result of them having a bit of inside dirt on him).

    I guess what i’m saying is that certainly gay people have managed in one generation to bring the system around and now have what might be considered human rights. They used to be treated as bad as our Aboriginal population, which I know wouldn’t mean a lot to you guys because we’re really good at concealing how badly we treat these people. (see John Pilger for an expose on how bad things still are) And they have made virtually no ground in the years they have been considered human (1967 – last week).

    I guess what i’d say is that while we might look to the gay pride movement and think ‘we could use that method’, I don’t feel that that is the way forward. Though it may create an alliance and allow others who have managed to rise above to positions of power to provide some assistance to us knowing who and what it is we’re fighting against. Or have they simply slowed the gravy train enough to get on as Desmond Tutu said of the ANC?

    Not unlike the young woman who ensured that the ‘paper trail’ back to the Clinical Director for the fraudulent documents sent to my lawyers did. She couldn’t stand up and say anything (she would end up being ‘treated’ rather than have a job), but she could ensure that should anyone look they would know who the fraudster was. The ‘Internal Memo’ points a finger directly at him, though i’m sure the way they set it up it was meant to look like the ‘black girl in the office mistake’. It’s a rich white male thing we use on occassion, knowing that people will jump from A to C and not consider B as an option lol Blame the rich white male Doctor when there’s a perfecly good young black female scapegoat in the office glad to have a job?

    Not that anyone gives a damn about a hospital Clinical Director sending fraudulent documents to a Law Centre to conceal human rights abuses. Anyone care to look? Calling all activists, and after ten years of calling to an uncaring community I find myself wondering. Is this sort of conduct really so common we don’t even give a damn anymore? How many people have documents proving this type of conduct on the part of a Clinical Director? Not rumours etc, but actual documented proof? If that’s the case then put it forward, please. Because I have put these documents in front of some people who have a duty to act, and have failed miserably in that duty. A Chief Psychiatrist who has no option but to neglect his duty under the Mental Health Act because he can’t manipulate the outcome (and conceal the offences) any other way? Happens all the time, and we have proof of those crimes coming out of our ears Boans.

  • Wow, that’s a long time in solitary while on remand. And whats with the three years wait for a trial?

    I know that mandatory sentencing laws here have resulted in people being sentenced to prison for such crimes as shoplifting a $5 packet of pencils etc. I always kind of laugh about my situation given that it seems obvious that drugging someone without knowledge with benzos is a crime (and once that crime is proven other crimes fall like dominoes) and yet I get told I will be arrested for being able to prove it. Meanwhile police have 16 detectives working on a ‘shoplifting team’ of (two) kids sitting in the park conspiring to steal some food from the local supermarket because they’re hungry as mum and dad have spent all their money on drugs from a police enabled drug house. They have phone taps, and a drone operating to listen in to their conspiring to ensure that the packet of biscuits they intend stealng is kept safe in the hands of shareholders, and they will do some hard prison time for their crimes.

    Meanwhile I’m being told by a Senior Constable who has in his hands proof of me being tortured and kidnapped, and what was attempted to resolve these matters by the doctor (ie an attempt to unintentionally negatively outcome me) that it ‘might be best he doesn’t know about that’. I have a letter from a Police Superintendent stating that police do not wish to be informed about how these killings in our Emergency Depts are being done. The harvesting of morphine from patients is actually quite easy in an emergency dept despite the claims that their is a system in place to ensure the drugs are all accounted for. Still, don’t look, they won’t see.

    Two possibilities, they either already know and are doing nothing about it, or their refusal to accept the documents I have and accept the fraudulent narrative preferred by the State has ensured they have been lead astray. Call me mental patient if you will, despite that being easily demonstrated as false, but that does not mean what i’m saying isnt true. Given that I have the documents proving that I was ‘spiked’ and kidnapped, you think the people who arranged that might wish to ensure police don’t find out?

    My guess is they know that these folk were killing, and they feel bad about the amount of deaths that could have been avoided if they had listened to the mental patient in the first instance, not two years down the track when their was a pile of bodies for the Coroner to bury with a cover up. And then they have to continue fuking destroying me to ensure they conceal their negligence. Meh, a good person will stand up……. eventually.

    And of course the timing of these folk leaving town in a hurry right after I dropped the documents on the table at the police station? And then I identify that the documents sent to the Law Centre didn’t match the ones I had (that police tried to retrieve) and were considered “edited” documents that removed the ‘spiking’ and labelled me a mental patient of more than ten years at a hospital that snatched me out of my bed and didn’t know me? Call me suspicious lol Call it fraud, not editing. Call it convenience killing not unintended negative outcoming. Call it criminal not medical. Though for now, police prefer to leave these sort of matters for doctor to sort out in the Emergency Dept, somewhere they too can send personal problems for ‘resolution’. Knowing of course what can be done under the ’emergency provisons’ (which funnily enough does not include torture Article 2 (2). But does include snuffing if you can slip it past the Coroner as being a death from morphine from an unknown source. Simples)

  • Thanks for the reply david.

    I hope that an announcement can be made here as to what changes are made, and how others can assist those who find themselves the subject of torture programs being enabled by ‘democracy’s’ under the guise of medicine. At least if the names of the doctors signing off on these torture programs are published we might start to build a picture of the areas where action can be taken.

  • “For now, I will point out that calling someone a name they do not want is labeling. Asking for a diagnosis from a pro you trust, willingly, ain’t labeling.”

    Actually that grabs my attention, and for reasons that might not be obvious to people who have willingly attended a psychiatrist/mental health professional.

    In my situation I really had no choice but to attend a psychiatrist for a report for my lawyers due to a workplace incident. That report was provided along with two others by my employers doctors (the first diagnosis didn’t suit their defence lawyers so they got a known ‘hatchet’ to do a report for them). The matter was resolved and we went on our merry ways, or so I thought. This rather expensive clinic that did the report for me decided to release the strictly confidential diagnosis done by my doctor to the public system despite the protections of the Privacy Act (what they call HIPPA in the US?).

    So at that point I am being snatched out of my bed because of some report done by a doctor for a very specific purpose, and which was legally bound. The conditions under which that information was released known to be criminal by the hospital staff receiving it, but they are regularly ‘fuking destroying’ anyone who they snatch from their beds and torture anyway. I went from a fine French restaurant to being locked in the cage with the cows at the slaughterhouse lol. All that while drugged without my knowledge and having police induce an “acute stress reaction” (read code for torture by police before interrogation by mental health)

    This private clinic releasing this information have some rather high profile clients who might be a little upset knowing their personal and private information is being dealt with in such a manner. Especially when the information being released was produced as a means to an end, and NOT an end in itself.

    Luckily the private clinic has ‘friends in high places’ who can use their position to ensure that the victims lawyers throw their client under the bus. I’m sure a you scratch my back approach is always best when such people are involved.

    So I didn’t know what this diagnosis was, or even that it existed until I got the public records showing where that ‘diagnosis’ came from, and that my Privacy had been breached by the clinic. I mean I get it that the psychologist who released that information did it on a ‘just between you and me’ basis, knowing it was criminal. But with a psychiatrist husband she doesn’t really have a lot of worries, they are ‘disposing’ of any problems in the ED. And let me say the particular Doc who owns the clinic isn’t someone you would want to make an enemy of in this town.

    Imagine a private clinic makes a telephone call to a public hospital and lays claim to a citizen as a “patient”, informs them they have arranged for the citizen to be ‘spiked’ with benzos and planted a knife on them when they collapsed to obtain a police referral and make detention appear lawful? I believe these are called “remotes”? Though strictly speaking a “remote” is done with a “patient” and not someone who has no doctor patient relationship with the person arranging the kidnapping.

    Still, my life destroyed as a result of me not getting what I paid for (my right to have these matters sorted out without having people slander me publically, or give me a ‘label’ I did not want), me ‘living on the edge’ daily, I guess it will all sort itself out in the end. Maybe the hot shot in the ED wasn’t a bad idea after all. Maybe this method of the State dealing with their victims of torture is actually ‘for the best’. Because let me say having your whole community turn their backs on you out of fear of being next is just disgusting to me. I hear people talking about being seperated from their families for a few weeks as a result of the COVID pandemic. I haven’t seen my daughter and grandchildren for 10 years as a result of the needs of the State and some private cilinic to conceal the fact they tortured me. I was impressed how quickly they could leave a man who lived in his home with his wife and family to a person left on the street by police in nothing but the clothes he stood in (and a few documents that for some reason I knew were important) because he complained about being tortured and kidnapped. And of course I need to be denied any of my human rights now as a result of pointing out that the State was about to put fraudulent documents into the Federal Courts knowingly. I should have considered my postition more carefully there, thinking they would do the right thing and not double down on the crimes. I can’t help but wonder how many dead were the victims of these corrupt public officials who you people trust with your loved ones.

    And not a soul who looks bothers to come back and say No Boans because …… as it’s true what i’m saying. They just maintain the fraud and slander put forward by these criminals, and continue to ‘gaslight’ me I assume in the hope that I will do what Dr “i’m the boss around here” failed to complete in the ED. I guess in this sense I understand why they are in need of more resources and money if they are spending their time concealing their criminality in this manner, that can’t be cheap (though I did get the impression that the doctor who was going to unintentionally negatively outcome me in the ED actually enjoyed a bit of thinking he was Dexter. Possibly the meth problem he seemed to be suffering from? You should get that checked Doc).

  • Thanks for the clarification vicj. I assume that recognition doesn’t extend to the people subjecting the person to it?.

    I know in my State torture is something that others do, what we do fits into the category of “coercive measures”, and if it doesn’t then with a little fraud it soon will. A quick change of status post hoc from citizen to “mental patient” by appointing a doctor to the victim and one can claim exemption under the “inherent in or incidental to lawful sanction” using the mental health Act as a shield against prosecution. Mock executions, threats of pack rape etc standards that do not meet the threshold of Article 1 of the Convention. Any complaints and your mental illness will require treatment by a mental health professional. And what disgusted me was the role of human rights advocates (Mental Health Law Centre) in the concealment of these acts of torture for the State government.

  • Of course me not being a “patient” and thus the Community Nurse being aware that he couldn’t just snatch me from my home because he wanted to presented a problem. Imagine the laws providing protection from him?

    So how does one get around those legal protections? By planting a knife and some cannabis on the victim, and thus the police can then lawfully detain and make referral to him, seeing he is such a nice fraud and slanderer. But, it’s difficult to plant a knife and cannabis on someone when they’re alert and awake. I know we can drug them without their knowldge by ‘spiking’ ther drink with benzos and when they collapse then we can plant the items for police and we have found a lawful way around the protections afforded by the law. Well not realy what they were doing was conspiring to stupefy and commit an indictable offence namely kidnapping but seeing how police think the guy collapsed in his bed with stuff planted on him is a ‘mental patient’ they can cause an “acute dstress reaction” and force him into opening his mouth to be ‘verballed, ie tortured. (see the DO NOTS associated with acute stress reaction, do not foprce to talk, do not prescribe benzos).

    The benzos being the assault and thus making this ‘hard torture’, though with the evidence being tampered with via “edited” legal narrative being provided to my legal representatives (if you could call back stabbers that), and the threatening of my family who witnessed the torture and kidnapping (in fact provided material support for it).

    Was I a “patient”? No, fact. I managed to bev=come a “referred person” but was examined by a psychiatrst who could find no mental illness. Now consider that statement along with the Procuring of a person not suffering from a mental illness? How do we know I wasn’t suffering from a mental illness, is is documented. Was the Form 1 “false or wreckless as to the truth”, oh yes. Though it wold seem my complaint about being tortured and kidnapped is considered an illness by the people who tortured and kidnapped me. Nothing to do with their conduct of course, and more to do with the chemical imbalance caused by their conduct that wasn’t their until they released me for not having a chemical imbalance.

    Activists? They have assisted in concealment of these methds of abuse, because the law gets in the way of getting drugs into inconvenient truths. Yes, the laws need to be scrapped because they don’t work anyway. These criminals do what they want and their enablers assist in further abuses until the victims commit suicide and they can use those deaths to ask for more money and resources.

    At least if the public were aware that arbitrary detentions and forced drugging for opinions not sanctioned by the State were occurring we would at least not be surprised when it is done, like I was. Totally shocked because of the people that died for the liberties I thought we enjoyed, written away by the Cheif Psychiatrist with negligence and a pen.

  • There is even a specific section of the Criminal Code that deals with the offence committed by the Community Nurse, and which is made clear in the Guidelines and training manual for that role.

    336. Procuring apprehension or detention of person not suffering from mental illness or impairment

    Any person who, by the production of a false certificate or other document, knowingly and wilfully, procures any person, not suffering from mental illness (as defined in the Mental Health Act 2014 section 4) or mental impairment, to be apprehended or detained, pursuant to that Act or any law relating to mental impairment, upon insufficient or unreasonable grounds, is guilty of a crime and is liable to imprisonment for 3 years.

    Did I have a mental illness? No, by defintion on the Mental Health Act definitely not. Was a false document produced to procure my person? Yes, fact.

    Though one of the problems is that the Police don’t have a copy of the Criminal Code which means they are ‘winging it’. They simply refuse to accept any evidence of wrongdoing by organised criminals operating in our hopsitals and leave them to ‘fuking destroy’ anyone who compains about being tortured and kidnapped. I mean its great if you are of the opinion that corruption is the grease that keeps the wheels turning, but not so good when your the victim of some serious criminal offences and the local Sargent is prepared to lie to your face and tell you that he doesn’t have a copy of the criminal code because he like baiting ‘mental patients’ so he can beat them into submission or put another notch on his pistol.

    And one thing that really makes me smile is how much work actually goes into making the crimes they were committing into looking like they were ‘accidents’. Not like any one in authority gives a damn, I mean they are basically dropping complainants to the ED for killing, period. Why bother hiding it? It’s a simpe fact of business when your in government, people going to need to be silenced when police and public officers are the criminals. No matter what they’re the good guys, even if they need to use our EDs as a slaughterhouse to maintain that truth.

    Then of course you have those leftie pinkos who haven’t got the stomach for it, who rudely interupt the ‘unintended negative outcoming’ of a whistleblower. Why? Should have let him go through with it first Prof. Save any worries about me actually slipping through the net and causing problems by still having the proof I was tortured and kidnapped. I’d prefer you let me know next time you want to use me without my consent for bait. Though my wife did explain why you did it that way. How clever that my speaking the truth sounds insane because as was explained to me by a psychiatrist “they wouldn’t do that”. Really? Such great insight into human nature when they live in fear of being imprisoned for torturing and kidnapping someone, and just happen to be married to a psychiatrist. Surely they just put their hands up and present themselves to police who can’t find their copy of the Criminal Code and send them on their way. Nay, in fact will actively commit serious offences by retrieving the documented proof of the crimes for the criminals. Which I think explains why they can’t find their copy of the Criminal Code, when they are assisting organised criminals operating in our hospitals. Having the documented proof of the crimes means the only defence they can put up is negligence of duty.

    173. Public officer refusing to perform duty
    Any person who, being employed in the Public Service, or as an officer of any court or tribunal, perversely and without lawful excuse omits or refuses to do any act which it is his duty to do by virtue of his employment, is guilty of a crime, and is liable to imprisonment for 2 years.

    Keep looking Sargent, i’m sure it’s there somewhere. And don’t forget the madatory reporting under s. 28 of the CCC Act.

  • “But certainly outlawing two individuals getting together, one who calls themselves a patient and one who calls themselves a therapist, would be absurd. Even voluntary bondage in sexual privacy is fine. So exactly what is the path to this “abolition”? Law?”

    In my case the “two individuals getting together” meant I needed to be drugged without my knowledge with benzos, have a knife and some cannabis planted on me to allow police to detain me against my will, and force me to speak with a filthy slanderer who completed a fraudulent statutory declaration to have me kidnapped.

    Basically the equivalent of a nite club rapist acting as a Community Nurse.

    And as far as abolishing these practices, the laws exist, it’s just that the people with a duty to act (the Chief Psychiatrist) simply deny they even know of the existence of the law and enable these human rights abuses and cover up their misconduct by arguments from authority rather than with facts and truth.

    I do not consider this a form of “voluntary bondage”, as I have been protesting it for 10 years now, and am still being slandered and have as was explained to me should I continue to complain about being subjected to this torture and kidnapping, been fuking destroyed along with evey relationship I had with my family. They won’t even allow me access to the courts to retrieve my belongings, including my own mothers remains which were thrown out on the street to create the appearance that someone else had ‘stolen’ the documents demonstrating the ‘spiking’ (make it look like the Aboriginals down the street did it). I’m kind of pleased i’m going to Hell, because at least i’ll get to see them punished. These ‘good medical people’ sure are ugly when you put them to the test.

    So laws are of little to no use when the people charged with enforcing them are the criminals. Australians do not respect a rule of law as our Prime Minister suggests, in fact negligence fraud and slander is the methods employed by our State governments to maintain their postions of priviledge.

  • “Kalief Browder, who died by suicide after he was unjustly imprisoned and tortured on Rikers’ Island as a juvenile”

    Tortured? I can’t see any mention of that in the article. Not saying it didn’t happen but I think that a lot of what is covered by “inherent in or incidental to lawful sanction” gets called torture and it’s not.
    Which brings me to the recent wedding between our police and the mental health nurses who have been placed in our police stations to enable what would be considered torture, except that it is “inherent in or incidental to lawful sanction”. Any complaints and your off to the hospital for some further ‘treatment’ for your delusional belief that what you have just been subjected to was torture. The good guys don’t torture, they exploit loopholes as our public is going to become increasingly aware of when they realise that this ‘effective program’ introduced to assist police with the ‘mentally ill’ is really all about.

    Consider the use of ‘chemical restraints’ enhancing the effects of interrogations? Can’t be done? I can show you how 🙂 These were the “added protections” spoken about by our politicians when the new Act was released. They just failed to mention who was being protected. The misconduct (perverting the course of justice) to conceal torture was becoming a problem, and they needed protection from prosecution. Not that anyone is prepared to stand up now, though i’m sure they will all have been active in protest when history is written. Ask the Clinical Director about the “editing” of legal narrative to create whatever truth we want. It’s no longer torture if we change the status of “citizen” to “patient” post hoc I am told, it now becomes ‘medicine’.

  • “Shield is a campaign to support individuals who are expressing concerns about their involuntary psychiatric procedures, issuing human rights alerts that encourage action, similar to pressure campaigns by Amnesty International.”

    Can you say a little more about this David? I contacted Amnesty Int regarding the use of known torture methods by my government and all they could suggest was that they didn’t get involved at an individual level, and would I like to contribute a donation or collect money for them in shopping centres. Seemed a bit strange to me given I had provided them with the documented proof of the torture. In fact I have had quite a bit to say about people who claim to be ‘activists’ in this area who seem to capitulate to any authority who threatens them or their families. Police telling me that unless the people who have been threatened by police report the matter to police then their is nothing they can do. Same goes for the torture, they refuse to accept the documents, and show no respect for the law and they’re good to go. In the meantime their ‘friendlies’ at the hospital can sort the matter out via the abuses of psychiatry.

    In fact I think that the citizens of my State would be shocked at how whistleblowers are being dealt with in Emergency Depts. Lucky there isn’t anyone prepared to stand up and speak truth to power. Speaking the truth here is not only a revolutionary act, it can get you unintentionaly negatively outcomed.

  • Here’s one that was advised to get the F&^% outta Dodge before he fell into the hands of a psychiatrist in this State. I notice that our current Premier was all for the release of the police records relating to the events, and yet now he seems quite content in keeping matters concealed using the CCC for cover ups.

    https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/australia/troy-buswell-suffers-mental-breakdown-after-drunken-crash—quits-cabinet-ng-169cfc425bb48365e766e9747cf45483

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-10/troy-buswell-resigns-from-wa-cabinet/5310162

    Why on earth would he need to attend a clinic in another State to have his ‘mental illness’ dealt with? Something wrong with the doctors here? They wouldn’t know how to drug someone with ‘bipolar’? I think Mr Buswell knew what would happen to him if he fell into the hands of mental health services in this State, especially considering his ‘relationship’ with the then Minister for Mental Health.

    A politician who isn’t afraid of a psychiatrist is more than a fool, they lack insight lol

  • One word madmother13, betrayal.

    Those people who you sat with that were all nice and ‘there, there dear’ turned on you when you left the room. But keep in mind that those documents are proof of those who are guilty of the sin at the centre of the Inferno, and will be held to account, and suffer the contrapasso. Their slanders and fraud will see them advance quickly in their chosen career, and then they are going to get to meet ‘the boss’ who has some demands of them they are not going to enjoy fulfilling. You can recover from their conduct, they never will recover from their own conduct. Doing wrong to another is one thing, but when you wrong your own soul?

    I would pity the author of the fiction in the end, though believe me I understand how that doesn’t help the hurt you feel now.

  • They do seem to favor Ben Franklin as opposed to Abe Lincolns.

    As far as the fear goes, politicians are certainly afraid of psychiatrists. They know that the dog has rabies and has been let out of the cage, because they’re the ones who unlocked the cage in the first place to create the fear. Obviously thinking they could exploit the fear they created, and not thinking through the fact that the mad dog doesn’t care who it bites, just that it gets to bite. And now who is going to put it back into the cage? As an abolitionist I have a method not available to reformists. Put it down rather than try to pat it into submission lol.

  • “The medical doctors are in collusion with the psychiatrists in supporting their drugging regime.”

    I think of it more like a flea on a dog JanCarol. They leave the blood sucking parasite there and every once in a while feel a need to scratch at it. In the scheme of things they are hardly going to find themselves becoming victims of ‘the gang’. They have owners who can afford flea collars. It’s the rest of us that need to worry about the diseases spread by these parasites lol

  • Hi O.O.

    Our laws as they are written contain what is a standard in many laws callled a burden of proof. There are basically three, suspect on reasonable grounds, on the balance of probabilities, and beyond a reasonable doubt (from lowest to highest). In order for a Community Nurse to remove a persons right to liberty they must meet the burden of “suspect on reasonable grounds” which is set out in s. 26 of the MH Act, critera of who should be an involuntary patient. Four criteria MUST be met for the detention and referral to be lawful. I won’t list them here but what I can say is I DID NOT MEET THESE CRITERIA. But I was dragged away by police anyway, and released after being tortured for 7 hours..

    The Chief Psychiatrist has as his duty the protection of consumers, carers and the community (ie ensuring the law is followed). He provides “expert legal advice to the Minister” on matters relating to the Mental Health Act.

    I have a letter from him stating that the burden of proof written in s.29 “referring for examination by a psychiatrist” does NOT state that the referrer must “suspect on reasonable grounds that the person requires an examination by a psychiatrist”, but that the referrer need only suspect on grounds they believe to be reasonable that the person requires an examination by a psychiatrist. Think about that difference.

    If this were true then there is no need for s.26 Criteria because the referrer simply defines what is “reasonable” and that can not be questioned or tested by the law. Now let me say I would expect that any student of law who did not know what a burden of proof is, or how it operates in law, should receive a FAIL, and need to repeat the class. And yet here we have a Chief Psychiatrist expert in law stating that the law allows arbitrary detentions because he has removed the very protections of the law put in place by our politicians to protect the public. Referrers no longer need to suspect on reasonable grounds, the reasonable grounds are defined by them and they could literally knock on anyones door and refer them because they want to.

    Of course I can’t find a lawyer who understands what a burden of proof is to approach the Chief Psychiatrist and correct him on his negligence, and ignorance of the law which is allowiong arbitrary detentions (kidnappings) and the use of known torture methods. I guess these lawyers find themselves in fear for their families given they would know that the law is no protection at all when the person who is responsible for the protections doesn’t know or recognise what those protections are.

    So they remove “reasonable grounds” for detention (suspect on reasonable grounds become suspect), and what is a standard objective test under law, becomes a subjective opinion which can not be tested under law. Then they drug fuk anyone who complains because no one is holding them to account because they have rewritten the law to allow them carte blanche and zero accountability. Any problems send police out to snatch them from their homes (referral by telephone) and we can ‘treat’ them for illnesses we make up on the spot when they are delivered to the hospital. This is a fact when you think through what I am saying regarding the Chief Psychiatrists claim.

    Not a soul prepared to even look at this letter for the C.P.. I did debate the matter with the Law Centre but the just kept sending me more bizarre statements like arbitrary detentions of citizens are under the “spirit of the Act’. What??? from supposed Human Rights lawyers? They don’t recognose the protections of the law either? The ‘spirit of the Act’ is to allow anyone to be snatched of the street and force drugged because a Community Nurse wants it done?

    Madness. Lawlessness, Criminality?

    Certainly the ‘verballed’ Form 1 creating the appearance of lawfullness is criminal fraud (signing a statutory declaration known to be “false or misleading as to the truth”) ,but in my case I think the ‘spiking’ and planting of a knife reveals a lot more regarding conspiring to stupefy and commit an indictable offence, namely kidnapping. It also reveals that the Community Nurse knows more about the law than the Chief Psychiatrist, because he has devised ways to get around the legal protections and has his colleagues prepared to commit serious criminal offences for him. ie the fraudulent documents sent to the Mental Health Law Centre concealing his criminal conduct. Maybe the Chief Psychiatrist could get this Community Nurse to give talks on how to torture citizens and conceal the truth from the public? Because if someone like me (mental patient) can figure it out, surely these smarty pants’ can?

    Though would these incompetent lawyers even recognise his crimes? I guess the hospital was concerend they would. So they sent a set that concealed and released some other medical records that created a slander they could use against me. All fully supported by my State government who provides funding for the Mental Health Law Centre to operate (or throw victims of torture under the bus for the State should they seek legal representation) So you suggestion of providing legal assistance may not be such a good idea after all when they become part of the abuse system. For example, when I didn’t agree to something, they simply appointed someone who would agree as my ‘carer’ and then they no longer needed to discuss anything with me. This would normally be called conspiring, but change the status to ‘patient’ and you can gaslight the target to suicide easily.

    The laws are there to protect, but the people who have a duty to enforce them have been corrupted. Their negligence, fraud and slanders provide them with carte blanche and zero accountability, and not a soul prepared to stand up. Meh, it worked for the National Socilaists for a few years, so I assume these guys haven’t got long either.

  • Hi Paula,

    this caught my attention. “The fact is that, as longtime expert on dangerousness Dr. James Gilligan has said, the only good predictor of dangerous behavior is past commission of dangerous acts”

    The reason being that the justifcation for chemically koshing me by a psychiatrist was that I had “potential for violence, but no actual history or clear intent”. My response to our Chief Psychiatrist was that this constituted every person on the planet, and I consider it to be nothing more than the paranoid delusion of the author of the comment. In fact much of the writings of these delusionals seems to revolve around the use of certain terms such as “violent”, “substance abuse”, “dangerous”, and as a fan of Lost in Space “Warning Will Robinson”. They create fear and suspicion and then exploit that very fear.

    “For psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers, and other therapists to claim that they are essential for warning people that Trump is dangerous is to claim special expertise and insight to which they are not entitled, and it simultaneously demeans the judgment of nonprofessionals and helps strengthen the power of their guilds.”

    We nonprofessionals should be offended by this conduct of people who have in my case demonstrated the morals of sewer rats. negligence fraud and slander disguised as medicine, and it is only that they have managed to destroy any and all avenues of remedy that allows them to continue with their abuses.

    I appreciate your opinion on these important matters by the way.

  • I had a discussion with a psychiatrist at one point Rachel777 where I explained to her that in the classic Pavlovian conditioning the enabling of a method of covering up abuses using psychiatric diagnosis was not unlike shoplifting. The thief finds a way to enter the shop, locates a point where the cameras are not operating, and then conceals their actions from the staff and leaves the store without paying.

    That’s fine, but ……. they now start to realise that not only can they steal for themselves, but they can turn a dollar by stealing for others. Now the devils start to move in on them and blackmail them to steal much more than they originally intended.

    Not unlike the guy who was going to knock me in the ED. He thought he was just doing the odd one for a friend but ….. found himself really busy doing more than he had bargained for. And the people he was doing it for turned their backs on him and denied any wrongdoing when they finally took a look and realised he had been doing quite a bit of ‘knocking’. One of the problems when the State is distributing fraudulent documents to conceal torture is precisely that they create the ‘broken camera’ to conceal all sorts of wrongdoing, and are then shocked when they find how disgusting people behave when no one is looking. Ask the staff at Abu Ghraib.

  • “Example A: stay on you meds and die earlier than average due to poverty and side effects.”

    add, if you don’t stay on your meds we are going to send thugs to your home who will drag you out into the street in front of your neighbours and deliver you to a place where we will force the drugs into you for your own good, despite having no evidence for the efficacy of these drugs.

    “Example B: die earlier than example A on average through sucides due to coming off meds and becoming psychotic.”

    and exercising your right to consent, and free choice given that you may have weighed up all the evidence and come to a different conclusion than the doctor who has only the information provided by the drug company sales rep.

    Studies show that people who pray regularly live longer but I don’t have the right to put a gun to their heads and make them attend prayers for their own good. well, unless i’m acting like the people who my government tells me need to be bombed into oblivion for their extremist views. A “death cult” according to one of our Prime Ministers.

    Speaking of extremist views …….

  • Must have shocked a few folk when they did look, and now they can’t even speak the truth because they are so busy covering their negligence at not listening to the ‘mental patient’ making noise about being tortured and kidnapped when he was tortured and kidnapped and the Operations Manager did a ‘nasty’ with the Law Centre to conceal their human rights abuses.

    I once again draw attention to the fact I have the fraudulent set of documents sent to the Law Centre, and the real set showing the torture and kidnapping if anyone cares to look. Or do y’all prefer to ignore the truth because its one of those situations where …..,eheemm doctor knows best. Must have kidnapped and tortured him for some reason right? Yep, the reasons are sort of documented under the ‘verballing’. Fairly easy to understand in half an hour. I go from being the person who “tried to sort it out with the family” to psychotic drug abusing wife beater in two sheets of paper filled out by the same person who needed to justify his actions and kidnap me to conceal his crimes in his locked ward. A fraud and slanderer, in fact a serious criminal who has no doubt harmed a lot of other people due to being enabled by the State.

    I don’t know how many people are aware of the knee jerk reaction of these public officials in these situtaions, and the consequences of them. Police come across something they’re not sure of how to deal with it, make a referral to mental health for a chemical koshing and cover up. How many kids raped by priests found themselves referred to mental health services? And from that point on people like Gerald Ridsdale go about raping 300 plus more because police are making referrals to a ‘friendly’ doctor who thinks he can drug the pain of the rape away? Of course 40 years on that’s all forgotten about, most of the victims are dead, so I understand why it’s taken me 10 years of wasted time not seeing my family because these negligent public officers need to conceal their own misconduct, and not just the kidnapping and torture. I’m sure they can justify their conduct with a ‘verbal’ or some further “editing” of the documents. If nothing else they can up the ante with the slander as well, which I note is the preferred modus operandii of our current Minister for Health.

    And I listen to the calls for change within the system, and yet when the opportunity to hold these people to account for their vicious attack on a person, and make changes, they all mumble into their hands and turn away. “oh isn’t it just terrible what they are doing to those people at Belsen, but of course there’s nothing we can do apart from not vote for that guy with the funny moustache next election”. Shows how much of a ‘democracy’ we live in when people are afraid to stand up and even speak the truth. They all want to hide their actions in secret meetings with no other aim than avoiding doing the right thing. Why? No one is holding them to account anyway.

    I mean I get it, “these things tend to get out of hand” and I can’t blame the psyhiatrist not wanting his wife to go to prison. But killing people to conceal her criminal conduct? Yeah, it sure does tend to get out of hand. Still, at least it was only my family ‘fuking destroyed’. Or was it?

  • I guess in many ways this dehumanising explains the ease with which police brutalise ‘patients’. Their consciences eased by the fact the person is not actually human, and of course the ease with which they were going to ‘despatch’ me for nothing more than complaining about being tortured and kidnapped shocked me…… at first. Then I realised how much death is part of the business, and knocking a few inconvenient truths in the ED would simply be a matter of positioning oneself and corrupting specific people. And who better to corrupt than a psychiatrist? I wonder if the total lack of accountability was achieved easily or if they had to threaten peoples families to achieve it?

    On one hand we have a Prime Minister stating Australians are a people who value a rule of law, and then we have Police and the Chief Psychiatrist simply ignoring the protections afforded the public by the law with no means of holding them to account. The Chief Psychiatrist literally rewriting the law, and police authorising the use of torture methods by acquiescing their duty.

    Well, at least thats the way that it appears to be. Perhaps a spanking by Ms Lash on the taxpayers credit card on a Friday night is considered ‘discipline’ by the Minister? lol

    I have of course heard the term “fixed delusion’. Though as what I have suggested would seem to be rather important to check, dismissing my claims as being delusional would seem to be a dangerous path to take. What if they ARE killing people in the ED to conceal their serious criminal conduct? I mean I’m sure a lot of people make such claims and investigation of the matters proves to be false (ir is they are ‘patients’ it may feel like torture and kidnapping, but undet the cover of “inherent in or incidental to lawful sanction” they can be kidnapped and tortured and it isn’t kidnapping and torturing but medicine. However, as I have stated on numerous occassions I have the documened proof (which police failed to retreive for the hospital) proving the torture and kidnapping. Now would that be motive enough for someone who thought police might do their job to attempt to ‘dispose’ of the victim given their is no accountability mechanism other than cover ups available to the State? It does make me wonder given the fact that police in the first instance accept evidence planted on someone who was drugged with benzos without their knowledge, and in the second won’t even look because they know they won’t like what they see. And in the meantime criminals within the hospital arrange a killing.

  • Dehumanising the victim makes things simpler, it’s like breathing with a respirator.

    It eases the conscience of even the most conscious and calculating violator,

    words can reduce a person to an object, something more easy to hate than an animate entity, (Schizo, Borderline?)

    completely disposable, no problem to obliterate.

    The first day of school (prison) is always the hardest….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akhz1-hZST0&list=PLi34BTzDcTPN9XvQpmlNIgqR3Frxx3RUr&index=3

    The Language of Violence.

  • I know where I live that’s actually a good idea. It would save a heap of money on the farce we call elections where we are forced to vote for one of two parties, which isn’t really voting. It’s a game of toss the coin that you get no choice in participating in. And coming from the people who provide State sanction for psychiatry is it any wonder they like to ‘fix’ the game?

  • “What will Americans do. Nothing. They’ll just sit back twiddling their thumbs, navel gazing and talking endlessly about how this not what America is – and do nothing about it.” That’s Australia too, but with copious amounts of beer lol.

    Anyone remember when having National pride was related to what you actually did as a Nation? me neither.

  • “the oh-so-easy-and quick-entrapment; one day I was living the dream in my custom beach house, employed, bills current, great insurance, no DTS/DTO…the next day I was bipolar 1 for life and in a hospital, drugged to the floor (on a plastic sheet) and paralyzed…soon to be homeless and bankrupt, couch surfing at 54 years old…not pretty. I was in shock for years.”

    Why do I read this and imagine the staff at a hospital sitting discussing their success at the ‘treatment’ you were receiving and discussing the possible ‘tweaks’ and the effects that might have.

    Can I ask Krista is your 4 part article on the RxISK.org website? I suppose in a democaratic society it may be possible to obtain legal representation, whereas here in Australia it is a publically known fact that the State can deny access to any legal representation (and lie to you in the process, and in fact have a lawyer lie to you). They simply tie matters up in an authority that was brought into being as a watchdog for corruption in the public sector. I must say I admire the way that over the years the Corruption and Crime Commission has been corrupted and they have turned what was a fairly tame labrador into a vicious Rottwieler which now attacks the very people it was designed to defend from police (and public servant) corruption. I’m most impressed, as is our Prime Minister who has labelled it a “kangaroo court’ (and he should know one when he sees it lol). Secret hearings and the evidence of corruption can not be used in our Courts thus making prosecution of serious criminal offences impossible. They do ‘hang one out to dry’ every once in a while so the public doesn’t think they’re doing nothing but …. I had a senior police officer explain to me that they’re a “bunch of secretary’s” and nothing more.

  • Just wondering how much truth there is in the claim I saw in a video that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has a patent on a vaccine for COVID.

    That’s an interesting video streetphotobeing. Whilst the cop is right in his claim “just doing my job” it should sound alarms for all Muslims who are in the month of Ramadan and many are fasting. This leaves them wide open to mental health referrals by police and mental health ‘professionals’ (nothing really professional about being a fraud and hypocrite) for nothing more than abiding by their religious beliefs.

    And once in the clutches of these frauds the process of human rights removal/extraction for future abuses becomes a formality. For example the need by mental health services to plant a weapon on me to obtain a police referral makes all of my furutre interactions with police a different matter. Pointing to this fact that they planted the weapon on me is of no concern for police, it makes it easier for them to shoot me and have justification for a ‘throw down’ for the Coroner should they ever need one.

    It was only when I went to police with the documented proof of the ‘spiking’ that I found out about my ‘history’ of carrying a weapon (as result of being spiked; and having one planted on me to obtain lawful reason to detain and refer Which strangely enough the police officer who jumped me in my bed didn’t actually find on me but his lies would be accepted by the corrupt Court system we have unfortunately). Don’t get me wrong I understand how much easier it must make their job when you simply plant whatever you need the person to be in posession of to obtain convictions, saves all that intellectual claptrap evidence and stuff. And no come back even when they do get caught, just arrest the victim for “wearing a loud shirt in a public place” and refer to mental health services for ‘treatment’ (at least thats how it is where I live.) Arbitrary detentions made lawful by neglecting to enforce citizens right of access to the law, and its working a treat.

    It’s amazing how much abuse can be concealed under a banner of “good faith” despite the conduct mirroring the abuse of a Nite Club rapist. We used to be concerned about out police not appearing to be the same as the Gestapo, have a look at the cops in that video, and I assume thats Canada? Someone on a hunger strike and believes in a God? Going to need the Afghanistan suits, might be IEDs lol.

    There is good news in that though, once they realise that ‘the people’ will no longer take the doubling down, they are tooled up ready to deliver the elites for ‘treatment’. Won’t there be some cheering that day?

  • Yes, there’s something to be said for the distribution of fraudulent documents to obstruct and pervert the course of jusitice and provide attorneys with an easy out, the statute of limitations.

    Is it any wonder that the Attorney of the Damned (Clarence Darrow) was so unique in standing up for the “little guy” and became famous when he was without doubt so alone in his field. In the main the rest of these persons of good character not so good at fulfilling their oaths which it would appear were sworn with no intention of fulfiling.

    I would have thought when the lawyers I spoke to identified that I had been the victim of frauds releasing my personal medical records and tampering with the legal narrative that they would at least have reported the matter. Not so, all I got was told not to mention the doctors name because of the serious conflict of interest and the assistance being provided to conceal the human rights abuses. And when I requested the slanderous set of documents be returned (as agreed) they all of a sudden can’t find them. I feel sure the lawyer who was mislead regarding my matters by the Mental Health Law Centre was fully aware of how the offences had occurred, though once again, “I” left it too late (the fact is she delioberately mislead me to stall for time for the criminals) FACT. She even informed me of who had authorised the ‘spiking’ via a prescription written by a Senior Medical Officer 12 hours after the drug was administered without my knowledge, AND 12 hours before this doctor even knew of my existence.

    Obstruction of justice is a crime. Attempting to pervert the course of justice is a crime. Torture and kidnapping are crimes. Conspiring to commit serious offences is a crime. And calling the victim of such crimes a “patient” as a means to avoid justice should also be viewed as a crime, though the Mental Health Act does open up that area for such abuses, so that the cowards and hypocrites have a hole to crawl into when it’s time to stand up.

    Not that I will have to face God for their sins.

  • “For the purposes of this Act a person has a mental illness if the person suffers from a disturbance of thought, mood, volition, perception, orientation or memory that impairs judgment or behaviour to a significant extent.”

    significant extent being a very subjective term. Consider the state of mind when one sneezes. Thus the whole country is mentally ill, and I therefore call for all legislation passed through our Parliament to be repealled (as it was passed by mad white men) and the land be handed back to it’s rightful owners, the Chinese. lol

  • Wow Mr McNeill, Not often a hard case like me finds myself in tears. I will say sorry for your loss, but know those words must feel empty for you.

    I don’t know that anyone who has not been subjected to the vile conduct they call ‘treatment’ in these places can truly be understood by someone who hasn’t been subjected to it. The lack of insight by the abusers in these places is positively astounding. They deliberately create fear and then call the response to that an illness. Their ‘verballing’ of documents stands as proof of their misconduct and knowledge that what they are doing needs to be justified by misrepresentation and fraud.

    If they commit offences against you they will conceal the evidence and then call you paranoid for complaining, which then justifies further dugging. See my commments elsewhere regarding the removal of documents provided to my ‘advocates’, proving I was ‘spiked’ with benzos and then slandered as a ‘paranoid delusional’ for making the claim I had been ‘spiked’. The absolute abuse of these people who receive the support of our Chief Psychiatrist and Minister in this misconduct is appauling. Though I note not a soul prepared to even examine the documented proof I have, preferring the false narrative that suits the organised criminals operating in our hospitals. It seems so much easier to slander me as ill as a result of the ‘gaslighting’ I have been subjected to than actually deal with the ugly truth that these people are criminals and nothing more. The rigged game that they can never loose as a result of the negligence of those with a duty to act, and the authority to ‘fuking destroy’ anyone with a legitimate complaint.

    I find myself also very angry reading what you have written, knowing that the hospital staff would have been conspiring behind your backs to conceal any of their involvement in what occurred. Pouring over the documents to find ways of concealing anything that might even suggest they did anything wrong. And then releasing the “edited” version to legal represenatives and the Coroner. They actually call criminal fraud “editing” where I live, or at least the Clinical Director of the hospital does. Not that it changes the outcomes, it merely enables abusive practitioners to continue their abuse against others.

    I sometime find myself thinking that the best way to get these ‘practitioners’ to understand how it feels to be on the receiving end of thiis ‘treatment’ would be to hand them over to Islamic State and tell them they are infidel. Terrorism being a highly effective means of behavioural control, but totally ineffective when it comes to ‘healing the mind’.

    I don’t know how to resolve the sadness and anger that I feel when I read so many stories like this, and know of the vile conduct that occurs with the knowledge of a few who chose to conceal the truth from the rest of our community. A Minister for Health who considers the ‘treatment’ for torture and kidnapping to be more torture and kidnapping. Hos delusional sense of self importance obvious for all to see, and my hope that he will be removed next election only spoiled by the fact that the next one is exactly the same.

    I’m sorry.

  • “Did someone say Kentucky Fried Chicken?”

    Not sure if this is an international advertising campaign but ….. I found it funny, especially when you think of the reasons they changed fro Kentucky Fried Chicken to KFC. ‘Medication’ anyone? lol The diversion from everyday bad events to a bucket of KFC such an easy transition on televison.

  • It was nothing compared to the ‘violence’ I have experienced from people who claim to be ‘medical people’ who subjected me to 7 hours of torture, kidnapped me and then sent fraudulent documents to the Mental Health Law Centre and attempted to have me overdosed in an Emergency Dept (check before assuming illness, the removal of documents showing I was ‘spiked’ done to enable the slanderous conduct of labelling someone speaking the truth as paranoid. I assume people of science would understand the effects of such vile conduct). I guess that ‘annoying child’ simply never went away, kept asking questions and still needs to be beaten to death according to those who see themselves as being “master’.

    I agree that spending more time with children may be the reason mothers may be more likely to strike children (though we are still speculating rather than working with established facts), much like those ‘touched’ by psychiatry are 44 times more likely to commit suicide. My anecdotal evidence all I have to work on though.

    And isn’t it the case that if it were found that women were more likely to be striking children then the advertising campaigns should be targeted towards those who perpetrate this aggression towards children rather than making the assumption that the only violence done in our community is done by males? I loved my child and gandchildren that I haven’t seen for 10 years now, and have never once found a need to hit them. Though I guess mental health services through their negligence fraud and slander have made sure I will never get the opportunity to do so. Especially now the current Minister for Health is in on the slandering to conceal the human rights abuses for his ‘colleagues’.

    I know I understand completely how these acts of violence are overlooked by my community. I mean I have here a set of documents showing that not only was I tortured and kidnapped, but that the hospital concerned distributed fraudulent documents to conceal those human rights abuses and crimes, and not a soul will step forward and assist me with that fact (including police who have found means to neglect their duty openly and in writing. They refuse to accept the documented facts and have stated they will arrest me for having the proof of the torture, though I think their involvement in the interrogation while I was drugged without knowledge may be influencing their negligence and concealment of criminal acts). They prefer the false narrative and simply ignore the truth, even those who claim to be ‘advocates’ for the ‘mentally ill’ sit on their hands despite the bold claims of ‘good people’.

    And they look at the body count and tut tut and make calls for reform? Well, after they sort out their pay increases for all the good work they are doing, throwing victims of psychiatry under the bus for doctors and organised criminals with influence. Excuse me while I get a bucket …….

    Anyway, interesting article. It took Finland a 100 years to see the results of banning beating children but the results can be seen in their culture I believe. I have a freind who came from their as a child who could not believe the way Aboriginal boys were treated by teachers in this country at what we call schools. I guess it prepared thm for the way they were to be treated later in life by ‘authorities’, very badly.

  • I tried to get access to a set of ‘punishment books’ held in our State archives. I was interested in what was documented about the public floggings I was subjected to in school as an 8 year old boy. I know it would be easy to say that I was young and my interpretation of these things is possibly disorted etc, and even that such beatings were part of the ‘master servant relationship’ that existed between teacher and student.

    What I do remember though is that us boys (it was never the girls) were made to bend over and touch our toes and were beaten on the legs with a black board rules (a 1 meter piece of wood swung baseball bat style). In my instance this left me black and blue from my butt to my ankles. My parents did, when I finally showed them the bruising, took me to the school and asked that it be stopped. The teacher claimed it was as a result of me being such an ‘annoying child’ and asking a lot of questions etc.

    What I can say, and I’m sure this will not make me popular (but i’ll say it anyway) is that I was only ever beaten by females. It was they who taught me about doing violence to others. Had my father ever taken to me I wouldn’t be writing this now. I note in the above article there is no mention of the gender basis of the violence done to children. Perhaps things have changed since I was a child?

    Perhaps lets start with who is actually doing the ‘punishing’ rather than the vague term ‘parents’? And who is the target of this violence? And does that result in boys becoming more violent in the future. I did as I said try to get access to these punishment books to do some reseach into this but …..access denied. My hypothesis was that the kids who were beaten sensless at school by teachers were more likely to have ended up in prison as a result of crimes of violence.

  • I certainly spoke to the people at the Church of Scientology regarding my matters (before the police and the State knew I still had the documents) and I spoke to the people at Amnesty who provide zero assistance to people who are the victims of torture (funny but they seem more interested in ‘fund raising’ than anything else).

    In fact I’ve spoken to so many people and written so much online and asked a lot about what the actual procedure is for making a complaint about beng tortured and you would think that in ten years you could get one answer.

    “Article 10

    1. Each State Party shall ensure that education and information regarding the prohibition against torture are fully included in the training of law enforcement personnel, civil or military, medical personnel, public officials and other persons who may be involved in the custody, interrogation or treatment of any individual subjected to any form of arrest, detention or imprisonment.”

    So the guy knew he was torturing me because the State had an obligation to train him in these facts. The drugging was an assault, and one he acquiesced his duty to inform me or my ‘next of kin’ about, so he was fully aware he was torturing. Torture and then any complaints kill? Their actions demonstrate they were fully aware.

    “Article 13

    Each State Party shall ensure that any individual who alleges he has been subjected to torture in any territory under its jurisdiction has the right to complain to, and to have his case promptly and impartially examined by, its competent authorities. Steps shall be taken to ensure that the complainant and witnesses are protected against all ill-treatment or intimidation as a consequence of his complaint or any evidence given.”

    And it is here in this article that my State gets to the dirty. Where is this “competent authority” that I have a right to complain to? In the Emergency Dept where they inject you with an overdose? They threatened my wife and family, and of course police claim that because they didn’t receive a complaint about them being threatened by police, nothing to see here. I know for a fact they threatened my wife, she told me when she told me about how they had been running me round to deny me access to the documents. The FOI officer issued the threat. And of course her game was up because what she had been doing she knew was criminal, ie conspiring to pervert the course of justice by concealing the evidence of the ‘spiking’.

    “Article 12

    Each State Party shall ensure that its competent authorities proceed to a prompt and impartial investigation, wherever there is reasonable ground to believe that an act of torture has been committed in any territory under its jurisdiction.”

    10 years prompt? Reasonable grounds to believe? Or did the Chief Psychiatrist rewrite this burden of proof as well? They have gone beyond reasonable grounds to believe, investigated promptly (Jan 2012 by Op. Man. who fuking destroys complainants. Finds it easy to breach the Articles of the Convention with State sanctioning her cover ups that include threateneing and intimidating witnesses with police etc…. distribution of fraudulent documents to lawyers, and a host of viciousness that I wouldnt begin to dicuss here. But to those who have looked, you should be struggling to eat your dinner) found that I was tortured, and then moved to fuking destroy me. They KNOW it was torture but are covering up these facts, and where necessary threatening, intimidating and killing any witnesses and victims.

    “Article 14

    1. Each State Party shall ensure in its legal system that the victim of an act of torture obtains redress and has an enforceable right to fair and adequate compensation, including the means for as full rehabilitation as possible. In the event of the death of the victim as a result of an act of torture, his dependants shall be entitled to compensation.”

    They won’t even allow me my passport and birth certificate so I can leave, never mind compensation. I guess by killing anyone with a valid complaint they save the tax payer a lot of money so it can be justified.

    Imagine even the Attorney General doesn’t seem to be able to tell me who to make my complaint to, I guess no one ever got through without being killed before.

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/commission-general/convention-against-torture-and-other-cruel-inhuman-or-degrading

    My State has made this agreement and does not hold up it’s end of the agreement. They take their oaths as a cover. Keep that fact in mind in your dealings with these people. Frauds, slanderers and prepared to commit acts of negligence to enable the use of known torture methods.

    And not a soul prepared to stand up and say “This is wrong”. Kitty Genovese about the only person with an explaination. The diffusion of responsibility a disgrace.

    The modus operandii is that they get someone prepared to commit acts of negligence in their duty to pretend they will provide you with effective legal representation, and then they leave you to hang. Thus you wait not knowing that they are doing absolutely nothing to assist, not unlike the waiting at the door described in Kafkas Trial. Clever trick and one that will not go unpunished, because that’s all it is, a trick.

  • Thanks for the reply Ekatarina

    I was thinking about your comment and realised that it’s the changing meanings around ‘normality’ that are allowing these people to maintain that vantage point. The “double think” described by Orwell in 1984. This whole COVID situation highlighting it for all to see (or not see according to how well they have learned to double think lol).

    Watch as we are presented with the “New Normal” over the coming months. Try keeping a record of the “Old Normal” lol. I’ve taken pictures of signs warning of the punishments for travelling over the boundaries that have been put in place (dare I call them ‘checkpoints’?).

    On the battle between good and evil I must say the Devil sure has good taste in suits, cars, boats, properties, ……. and all provided for via the souls he misleads into the fire? “Just one little pill and it’s all yours” 🙂

  • Thanks for that O O. If only there were a ‘patients movement’ with such conviction.

    I noticed stuff pinned on the Notice Boards in the hospital that kidnapped me for organisations claiming to represent the interests of people being subjected to the abuses of psychiatry, only to find out they were a ‘venus fly trap’. They lure you in with promises of legal assistance, find out what you have, and then provide that confidential information to the hospital and assist them in concealing any misconduct during these kidnappings and torture sessions. For this the government funding continues.

    Yes Mental Health Law Centre I’m looking at YOU.

    I wonder about the JWs providing assistance to people being snatched and tortured using the Mental Health Act. I have certainly spoken to some who are believers in the medical model of mental illness. (“My daughter wasn’t abused, she has a mental illness as is recieving treatment for it” said one person who I suspect was the young womans abuser but …. let God decide on that one).

    I also wonder what type of services are provided to those who are members of the Church of Scientology should they find themselves being subjected to torture in one of these ‘centres’. How do they extract their members?

  • Connected to network via provider. That’s fairly easy to get around with sim card changes but the phone itself has a chip that means even when it’s off, it can be turned on via the network, and tracked.

    Legacy devices and the swapping of phones with others is possibly the best method, though that will simply drive them to have us all chipped. As long as this ‘illegal’ spying on us all is working, they won’t move on that. (you can’t prove it being the defence)

  • One of my favorite quotes from the Injil

    “Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey; they shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain. Her prophets white wash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations. They say ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says’ – when the Lord has not spoken. The people of the land practice extortion and commit robbery; they oppress the poor and needy and mistreat the foreigner, denying them justice. I looked for someone among them who would build up the wall and stand before me in the gap on behalf of the land so I would not have to destroy it, but I found no one. So I will pour out my wrath on them and consume them with my fiery anger, and bring down on their own heads all they have done declares the Sovereign Lord” (Ezekiel 22:27-31).

    How on earth did I find myself living in such a place? I heard a great sermon last week about asking God to join you in the fire, and not asking him to take you out of it. It really has changed my view of where i’m at. They try to ‘fuking destroy’ me, and He provides me with protection from everything they have thrown at me. They have literally got nothing other than their delusions of granduer, and an inability to see what is right before their eyes. Your right Rachel777, they should be pitied.

  • I was confused about the whole Dastiyari situation. Why could he not have a conversation without having his phone with him? Okay, he’s a politician but when did he lose his right to not be listened to?

    Some of the information is between the lines too. I have one friend who tells me that sometimes it’s best to ‘feed the chickens’ (which reminds me of what Joh used to call talking to the media lol). God leads astray who He will, and if they are getting what they want, then they tend to be lazy regarding other communications (Passenger pigeons come to mind lol). It’s also a Federal offence to interfere with post, keep it in mind when dealing with State authorities.

  • “That’s a society ripe for an awakening, and it won’t come easy because it means everyone will be forced to see their own shadow.”

    You know Alex I often ponder the images of the Germans being marched past the corpses in the concentration camps after ‘liberation’. Holding hankerchiefs to their mouths and trying not to look at what they had been reduced to, their shadows. They may not have been directly responsible but could not deny that they had taken part in these crimes against humanity. So why did they rush past and try not to look at what they had done if they felt no shame?

    Now try and take someone for a walk through a locked ward to look at their shadows. Will they see what they are doing? Or are we still at that point where we can deny that what we are doing is not an evil act, much like the German people did not see it until they were at the mercy of others, then they pray for humanity to spare them (though I recognise that some went to the gallows unrepentant).

    I sometimes imagine what that day will look like where I live, the betrayal of community second only to a betrayal of God. What gives me hope is that the corruption of our politicians where I live is so open these days that it means we are ready for change.

  • Ahhh that explains the injecting of the ‘burning flesh’ for me. The heretics trapped in flaming tombs, by doctors (tin gods?) who do not wish to have their ‘treatments’ questioned. I guess being trapped in such a place would result in a change of mind about the hereafter? I know the person who explained it to me had blown half his face off with a pistol in his mouth as a result of requesting that his ‘treatment’ be stopped or changed being refused. Better the eternal sleep than be tormented by the god that is a psychiatrist. At least with the chemical kosh preferred in aged care facilities one is out for the count, no so with the burning flesh.

  • Am I correct in assuming you use the same methods of the Jehovah Witnesses with regards to forced treatment, that they use when one of their brethren is being forced to acccept a blood transfusion?

    And I do beieve that Martin Niemoller’s classic teaching poem should have begun, first they came for the Jehovah Witnesses…….. mainly because of their refusal to salute the Chief and say “heil Hitler”. If only my community had such people with the courgage of their convictions. Though where I live they are quite prepared to accept torture maiming and killing as being ‘medical procedures’. And even ‘advocates’ are prepared to plant a knife between the shoulder blades of victims for the right price.

    I did like Carlins comments about privileges not rights (google Japanese Americans 1940s if you think you’ve got rights). Though I do think one of the wisest comments I’ve seen on MiA came from Jim Gottstein, ‘rights without remedies are no rights at all’ (i may be paraphrasing here). They have removed the remedies, and continue with the illusion of rights for the general public. We should be holding our elected ‘leaders’ to account for those removals, though of course to do so would mean running the gauntlet of a diagnosis and being ‘fuking destroyed’.

    The man with nothing to loose is a dangerous man, the hypocrite talks big until it’s time to fight. If you win, they say how much they would have liked to have been with you in the fight, if you loose they tell you how they were right in not joining you. Fortunately God knows what is in their hearts (and quite possibly some of our police when they do mock executions, the wetting of pants being a dead give away. And before you complain, this is considered a ‘coercive measure’ and not torture as a result of the false belief created by someone who isn’t really going to shoot you [police are allowed to lie to ‘suspects’ in my State], if you believe they are then thats your problem. I once got upset with a Sgt for telling his Constable who was detaining an 8 year old Aboriginal boy for breaking a window “if the little black bastard gives you any trouble, shoot him”. How positively ‘lefty’ of me lol).

    Speaking of creating fear, have a look at The Power of Nightmares documentary by Adam Curtis (on You Tube). Gives a great description of how we are being manipulated via the false fears created by politicians to maintain their grip on power. I’d write more but there’s Muslim terrorists living in the house next door and i’m sure they’re watching eveything I type lol

  • The people that the Church rejected for becoming priests..

    The ‘celebacy’ of psychiatry is that they are denied any right to heal, and are stuck in purgatory forever chasing their own tails, using one of the oldest tricks in the Book to conceal their inadequacies. Drugging extreme states into compliance and calling it medicine.

    For this they obtain the external status, but internally they long for the closeness of a ‘wife’, and some become devaint abusers as a result. Excusing their abuse and being a “character flaw” or ‘personality disorder’.

    And when one considers that the power that used to be assigned to the Church by the State has been transferred to psychitary and psychiatrists, is it any wonder they find it easy to conceal their rampant abuses? I’m sure it will no doubt be exposed eventually, with lots of “it was them not me” and “look, they were much worse than me”.

  • Remember Sam Dastiari JanCarol? The guy who got in trouble for turning off his phone and leaving it inside his house while he spoke with a Chinese businessman in his garden?

    https://www.afr.com/politics/sam-dastyari-is-a-chinese-agent-of-influence-exintelligence-chief-20171203-gzxktb

    Ummm your phone might be bugged lol. Didn’t anyone actually hear what Ed Snowden said?

    There was a good sci fi series called The Last Enemy that wasn’t too far from where we are at now (system called TIA Total Information Access. And it had Robert Carlyle and Benedict Cumberbatch in it too 🙂

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0966151/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_19

    I opted out of the MyHealth system though I think all that did was give them reason to keep a file you don’t get access to on you. But we will never know now they are dealing with whistleblowers via unintended negative outcomes in E.D.s lol. Any and all inconvenient truths about the crimes of the State against citizens is now concealed under National Security and you will never know the things being done in our names. There are good reasons Obama went back on his promise to release ALL the photos from Abu Ghraib.

  • Rattus norvegicus or rattus rattus? Do both carry the Bubonic Plague?

    The comment below

    “a) The inability of psychiatrists to predict (or define) “dangerousness” is not debatable, it has been demonstrated over and over.”

    you kmow what I would find interesting is data that shows how much the public believes that psychiatrists can predict ‘dangerousness’. We know they can’t do any better that the toss of a coin but ……. and in line with Kindred Spirits comment about perceptions rather than truth ….. how are they perceived in this regard. As the gods they see themselves as? Or the bumbling gamblers with the lives of others they really are?

  • “It was way past time for me to be set free.”

    Got some really bad news Annette, your never free of psychiatry. Certainly here in Australia if any doctor ever wants you snatched from your bed they can simply call police and have them deliver you to whatever hospital they like. Not just your doctor, ANY doctor.

    This is the result of you being a “mental patient” by status for the rest if your life, and thus your human and civil rights have been removed, never to be returned. If your really lucky you may be able to conceal that fact from many people, but not your government. They have you marked, and should you ever cause them any issues, those medical records you seek will be released to the public as a weapon to slander you. In fact what you used to consider conspiring is now lawful due to your not being able to give consent, and requiring others to make your decisions for you. Those who are not suffering from anasognosia.

    Still, the good news is that at least we can take it from you that “Jean” Therapy isn’t effective 🙂

    I hope it all works out for you, and that you are one of the very few who does survive the vicious gaslighting assaults of the psychiatric industry. And I do tend to agree that the ‘spellbinding’ (or disinhibition) caused by the drugs may contribute to suicides (though I was not informed that I was actually taking stupefying/intoxicating drugs and had them administered without my knowledge by people not authorised to do so). The things you can do to someone if you lie and call them “patient” huh?

    P.s. you will also find your interactions with the police have changed significantly. careful because they have a tendency for knee jerk reactions with mental patients and are a little quick with the weapons. That ‘flag’ might not be obvious in your “patient notes”.

  • Of course my role in ‘falling into the snares of Evil” is not lost on me. I have made a lot of noise regarding my State sanctioning torture and killing and disguising it as ‘medicine’. Should I not have gone about this quietly? I did. And then found myself being victimised by those in authority who had a duty to act, and instead found it easier to fuking destroy me. Still i’m sure they are much more caring with your loved ones, at least to your face.

    Let me quote directly from my Book, and then the interpretation by Ali.

    “Allah loveth not that evil should be noised abroad* in public speech, except where an injustice has been done, for Allah is He who heareth and knoweth all things” (4:148)

    Note the exception? I consider the acts of threatening my family, and the distribution of fraud and slanderous documents regarding my ‘detention’ and ‘referral’ to be an injustice. The footnote;

    * “We can make a public scandal of evil in many ways (1) it may be idle sensation-mongering; it often leads to more evil by imitation, as where criminal deeds are glorified in the cinema, or talked about shamelessly in a novel or drama. (2) it may be malicious gossip of a foolish personal kind. It does no good, but it hurts peoples feelings (3) It may be malevolent slander or libel; it is intended deliberately to cause harm to peoples reputation or injure them in other ways, and is rightly punishable under all laws. (4) it may be a public rebuke or correction or remonstrance, without malice. (1) (2) and (3) are absolutely forbidden. (4) may be by a person in authority, in which case the exception apply, for all wrong and injustice MUST be corrected openly, to prevent it’s recurrence. Or (4) may be by a person not vested with authority , but acting either from motives of public spirit, or in order to help someone who has been wronged; here again the exception will apply. But if the motive is different, the exception does not apply. (4) would also include a public complaint by a person who has suffered a wrong, he has every right to seek public redress.”

    So the actions of the hospital are strictly forbidden, and I have every right to seek redress from those who have done me wrong. Though of course my government has doubled down and attempted to kill me to conceal their wrongdoing. I make noise “abroad” but there is no one prepared to stand up and hold these criminals to account, which as stated needs to be done “openly”. The attempt by the State to conceal their slander under the exceptions of (4) clear for anyone to see should they choose to look. Start with the fraudulent documents sent to the Mental Health Law Centre and their actions as a result of that fraud.

    Good news is I’m not going to be held accountable for their evil deeds. And those who have stood by and neglected their duty have more than their own shame to be concerned about. Those who continue to obstruct justice over these matters and continue with the fraud and slander? I have a duty to warn and nothing more.

    So does the work by Bandy et al fit into (1) (2) (3) or (4)? Not an easy assessment to make huh?

    It was in my instance though, I was tortured and kidnapped. And when they found out that I was speaking the truth, they went to town on me and my family. Slander, fraud, and an attempt to kill me, and police who claim their hands are tied, because with the status of “patient” anything can be done to you and called ‘medicine’. (see the different ways ‘nutjobs’ are treated by police to confirm they are fully aware of this status difference) And I paid taxes for some slag criminal hospital administrator who is corrupting our entire system like a cancerous growth being covered over with a band aid.

  • Alms for an Ex Leper………….

    Couple of problems Oldhead

    (1) the Australian Government brought in a system 2 (?) years ago that allowed doctors to access your medical history on a computer system. MyHealth. This system was introduced in a manner that meant you had a record created for you UNLESS you specifically opted out. Civil liberties lawyers protested that it should be the other way around, that people should have to say they wanted a record created for them. Those lawyers I assume are now being treated in the Ariel Castro Memorial for their ‘schizophrenia’.

    (2) If the people do not take up this app in the numbers the government wants, then two things are likely to occur. Further restrictions on civil liberties ie lockdowns, and legislation like that above that makes it mandatory to have the app. The P.M. has threatened the first, and is no doubt looking into the second.

    I was pondering this situation and wondered if it isn’t a way to get out of the illegal tracking that has already been done, but that we have till this point in time been unable to prove is being done.

    Combine those medical records with the ability to track everyone and what have you got? Then combine that with organised criminals in our hospitals and police records …….

    Glad i’m not Jewish or a ‘mental patient’ (lol), coz Hitler said if they never admitted they were wrong (at Nuremburg) that the Reich would see a rise again in about a hundred years. Looking like they are ahead of shedule, though this unexpected turn of events has certainly provided assitance in speeding up the program.

    Stigmatise and Ostracise
    Remove Rights and property
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    They’re Baaaaack.

  • I found the slander of the labels to be a direct function of how badly the hospital wanted to cover up their criminal conduct against me. The more I kept pointing out that they were committing (and had committed) serious offences, the more relevant my ‘diagnosis’ became.

    At what point does a persons diagnosis become relevant to whether they are a victim of a crime or not? And I ask this in all seriousness. Because there is no doubt I was tortured and kidnapped. Simply can not be denied. Does this not qualify a person for a ‘diagosis’? What can be denied is my right to legal representation if someone else speaks for me as a ‘mental patient’ and therefore the State has maintained the fraud committed early in the piece to conceal the torture and kidnapping from the lawyers at the Mental Health Law Centre. Someone lied about having the right to speak for me, and the State has engaged in conspiring to committ offences with that person ever since. They simply do not like the truth that I was NOT a “patient” and therefore what they did was criminal. Were they aware of this? Absolutely, and in fact they did everything to conceal the fact and ensure they did not ask any relevant questions to allow their negligence to become a defence. Trying everything including torture to have me admit that I was a “patient”. 6 witnesses to a torture session and not one including my wife prepred to speak the truth. Still, with people being killed ……… like the FOI officer who knew very early on what I’m saying is true she told my wife “It might be best you don’t tell him”. How many families are threatend by the administrators who have access to the facts? Lets pit one family member against another and if someone gets killed, we’re off the hook.

    That ‘poison’ they now distribute and deny any wrongdoing (while they attempted to murder me in the ED). Call that a delusion if you like, but do me and others who were not as fortunate the favor of checking before slandering. Those that have, have been shocked. But also find it easier to go along with the false narrative and assist in ensuring that my States sanctioning of torture and convenience killing (refoulment) is supported.

    And who gets to check? Well, not the police unfortunately. Mainly because they don’t think that putting benzodiazepines into a citizens drink to render them unconcious to plant evidence for police is a crime. In fact, they don’t even think that loading up a ‘shot’ in the E.D. to overdose a ‘patient’ is a crime either. Best they don’t know about that they tell me (and a witness). Best they arrest me for having the documents proving what i’m saying they tell me (and a witness who now fears for his family). And because you didn’t answer an email you didn’t recieve over the evidence you have within 14 days, that’s the end of the matter as far as a Superintendent is concerned. A law unto themselves? You bet when mental health services can literally use the police to torture and kidnap any citizen they like, and then have police assist in the retrieval of the evidence of that torture and kidanapping to conceal their links with organised criminals operating in our hospitals. Not a good look.

    But run advocates run, your hypocrisy is what is keeping you alive. Never will you be held to account for issuing one thing from your mouth, and another from your heart. And if my government wishes to torture someone surely they had good reason, and if they didn’t well, they will continue torturing until they have a good reason. I’m sure that pattern is not lost on those who have been touched by the ‘medicine’ that is mental health services. (I say MHS because I do believe it is the lackies and butt crawlers who assist psychaitry that are in many cases the problem and not psychiatrists themselves).

    I guess at least you live in a country that does seem to respect the fact they have laws that protect your privacy Mr Frances. We have laws in my country that supposedly do that though I note the hospital concerned in the above matters did actually release a whole bunch of documents not requested by the lawyers at the Mental Health Law Centre as a means to get these misleading and fraudulent matters into the public arena. It’d be criminal in the US along with the conspiring etc. But not in a land where the Chief Psychiatrist wouldn’t pass a 1st year law course, and believes his Community Nurses can travel through time and space like Dr Who. A Land of Sweeping Plains and Lawlessness. Where psychiatry is a criminal enterprise supported by the negligence fraud and slander of the State and not a soul is prepared to stand up and say this is wrong. I can’t blame them, and nor would anyone else who has seen what has been done to me and my family by an Operations Manager who openly stated when I pointed out her criminality that they (meaning the State) would fuking destroy me.

    I digress, you people are here to discuss the ways to change this system of abuse, not actually assist anyone who has been victimised by criminals within that system of abuse. That isn’t going to happen when we have slanderous labels to be applied to victims, and negligence, fraud and slander as a weapon to enable further abuses.

    I would also warn that there are people who would take great joy in hacking your computer and exposing you. And they may not be the people who you might imagine (though they will claim it’s your paranoid delusions causing you to think this way). I, for example, found myself in possession of documents showing I had been ‘spiked’ and the clever Operations Manager figured out if she had police retrieve those documents she could then slander me as a paranoid delusional for actually speaking the truth. That’s actually quite clever when you think about it, have the poisoned poison themselves with the truth being the weapon. Making the claim you have been drugged without your knowledge being THE most common of the delusions (how convenient for these people in a position to drug you without your knowledge and then dispose of the evidence of that ‘spiking’. That is worthy of further consideration. It may also be exposed at some point in the future if the State stops killing whistleblowers in the Emergency Dept. A quick thanks to the Doc who interupted my ‘unintended negative outcome’, your a gem Professor.)

    My Kingdom to be in the room when the Dr who was going to kill me was snatched away to be ‘interviewed’ and not know if he had been caught or not. Oh Dear, you really fell into the hands of a psychopath that day Doc. A cardiologist who knows of the evil in your heart? Yes, he would have gone through with it Doc, and does have the stomach for it (and the fat wallet to match one would assume). Luckily you can write your own prescriptions for anti psychotics as you get sick in the world of illusion you find yourself. And God sends upon them a Great Delusion that they might believe the Lie (2 Thessolonians 2)

    Anyway, good luck with your book sales.

  • “If you had a client who told you their spouse or partner was abusing a child or threatening to harm someone it would be very clear that even without the legal backing of Tarasoff you would also have a duty to warn – a moral and ethical obligation to use what you know as a psychotherapist to protect someone in danger.”

    I’m going to requote this.

    So when my wife got together with a psychologist and they came up with a plan to ‘spike’ me with benzos, and plant a knife on me for police to find and hopefully not shoot me in the process of obtaining a referral, did this psychologist not have a duty to warn me? My wife on her way to assault me and plant evidence for police to assist in the commission of serious offences?

    Or should she take the $200 for providing the advice of how to obtain a police referral and have me locked in a mental institution against my will and cross her fingers that I don’t come out a dribbling mess like many of their ‘clients’?

    Did this psychologist know my wife was going to ‘spike’ me, certainly. How do I know that. Because they both explained to me that they were concerned about the police shooting me as a result of the plan to plant a knife and some cannabis on me when I collapsed. Whose idea was the ‘spiking’? My wifes. And the knife and cannabis for police? The psychologists. Need a referral, get the sucker cops to do it for you, along with the kidnap.

    Good to see that a private clinic takes their ethical concerns seriously. One more life destroyed and on to the next one. Just keep stepping over the bodies folk. Best $200 of my money my wife ever spent, I don’t even have a photograph of my own mother never mind my passport or birth certificate, and 9 years later I still can’t have a legal rep because they would know I was tortured and kidnapped and certain people don’t like that truth.

    I was all good with divorce proceedings until they found out I still had the documents, and then found out about the fraudulent set at the Mental Health Law Centre. Houston we now have a problem. And I get to suffer for their misconduct. Give me back my stuff and let me leave you vile human rights abusers. How ugly that you would threaten my grand children, and wife, how disc]graceful that you are killing people in the ED to cover up your misconduct. How unbelievable that your distributing fraudulent documents to conceal torture, and having police retrieve the evidence of your crimes.

    Ethical? Morals of Sewer Rats.

  • I’ll put this here where the ‘professionals’ are stepping over us.

    “In times of war or public panic, thoughtless repetition of gossip is rightly restrained by all effective States. If false, such news may cause needless alarm; if true, it may frighten the timid and cause some misgiving even to the bravest, because the counterpart of it – the preparations made to meet the danger – is not known. Thoughtless news, true or false, may also encourage the enemy. The proper course is quietly to hand all news direct to those who are in a position to investigate it. They can then sift it and take suitable measures to checkmate the enemy. Not to do so, but to deal with news either thoughtlessly or maliciously, is to fall directly into the snares of Evil” Abdullah Yusef Ali.

    Is it gossip? And has the path of quietly handed off to those in a position to investigate been taken? Or is this being done as a means to profit from the sales of books from controversy?

    I can’t give an opinion based on the information I have. But I can give an opinion on the methods used in the area of mental health regarding the use of ‘diagnosis’ as slander. Which I have done above.

  • This speculation about people one has not met obviously doesn’t extend to our Minister for Health who considers anyone who makes a complaint about mental health services in need of ‘treatment’. If you don’t agree with us, then your obviously ill. Imagine thinking it is unlawful to ‘spike’ citizens with stupefying andd intoxicating drugs. That’d be in the Criminal Code if it was and ….. woops. Quick lose that and hide the evidence that were doing that.

    His response to my complaint that he is sorry that I am still distressed about my referral and detention (actually kidnapping and torture but i quibble over legal definition. No debate will be entered into as that would expose that the authority to drug me without my knowledge and then detain and interrogate me for 7 hours actually constitutes torture, and that using police resources to give the appearance of lawfullness does not change the fact that I was kidnapped. Planting weapons on people after ‘spiking’ them is conspiring not ‘medical assistance’) requres the services of the people who tortured and kidnapped me.

    Glad I didn’t have complaint about being sexuallly assaulted. Might he suggest I go and get myself raped as a cure?

    By being able to ignore complaints and deny access to legal representation is it any wonder they can be so bold in their slandering and fraud? An Attorney General who can not inform a member of the public what the procedure is for making a complaint regarding the use of torture by public officers who are fully trained in what does and does not constitute torture? (as per the Convention) But can make referral to an authority described by the Prime Minister as a ‘kangaroo court’.

  • “It discouraged speculation about people one had not personally met.”

    This principle asserted in our Mental Health Act via “no referral without personal examination” and other protections. Which should stop people being apprehended and referred based on a phone call from someone claiming to be someone elses doctor, in principle. Of course when police simply do what they’re told by organised criminals within the system and assist in cover ups of people who breach the laws then why bother even having ‘rules of law’?

    In my State, even as a Community Nurse (a basic community college course of 6 weeks) I can telephone police and have them detain anyone I wish by simply stating (falsely) that the person is my “patient” and completing two fraudulent Forms I can have police kidnap that person for me. Then if they are really lucky to get the proof of what I have done, police will retrieve the evidence of my ‘misconduct’ and we can arrange a little accident in the Emergency Dept before anyone notices our ‘indiscretions’.

    Our Prime Minisister makes me laugh more than Eddie Murphy when he says Australians are a people who value a rule of law. They handed over medicine to the Joker when they passed the Mental Health Act.

    Narrowing the scope of members authority is pointless without a mechanism to resolve complaints other than a ‘hot shot’ in the ED, and the distribution of fraudulent and slanderous documents via ‘friendly’ advocates paid for with State funding.

  • Good point you make Sam.

    I note that when the ‘diagnosis’ didn’t suit the insurer, they hired a known ‘hatchet’ (who gives lectures to the insurance industry on how to minimise liability using psychiatry) to do a ‘number’ on me. Then the preferred ‘truth’ becomes the one that gets used to ‘fuking destroy’ you at a time most convenient for the assailants. Forget your right to confidentiality, there are easy ways around that, especially in a State where police can’t find thier copy of the Criminal Code, never mind the Privacy Act.

    Might I just add, Trump doesn’t seem to mind using his position as President to do a bit of slandering himself.

  • Wrectum? Sure did lol.

    See a ‘sport’ here called Cane Toad Golf. Fine with the Driver, it’s the putts that blow your handicap out. Funny but this reminds me of a lecture I once heard on the “scope of justice” and how we include and exclude certain species of the right to justice (no problems killing a Cane Toad, but do it to a Dolphin and you’ll make National News). A bit like we exclude “mental patients” from any human and civil rights and don’t feel bad for doing so. And the people who are doing this want to point fingers at the President and call him a narcissist? Meh, if your going to throw him out, we’ll have him. He can sit at the table with us smoking and waiting for Nurse Ratchett to announce “medication time”.

  • “This intra-guild dispute among psychiatrists should be of no more concern to people at MIA than should a factional dispute among the ranks of Scientologists. Taking side throws MIA’s objectivity into question, as this is a tempest in a teapot which should elicit little more than raised eyebrows and chuckles.”

    Nice Oldhead. My comment about the ‘mad dog’. It seems what were arguing about is whether the ‘breed’ matters before it’s muzzled. Call it hydrophobia if you like, but that doesn’t change how the teeth feel when it bites.

    I’d also add the possibility of a folie a deux into the mix as to why the ‘administration’ has not acted against the President lol. If we’re handing out diagnoses today, lets make it lots of them people.

  • “If you had a client who told you their spouse or partner was abusing a child or threatening to harm someone it would be very clear that even without the legal backing of Tarasoff you would also have a duty to warn – a moral and ethical obligation to use what you know as a psychotherapist to protect someone in danger.”

    Acting on hearsay evidence seems a bit flimsy? Such and such told me the Prime Minister is going to send troops to Syria to harm people……..This combined with ‘armchair psychiatry’ just gives me the impression of being about oneupmanship, and stepping into areas that should be off limits.

    This was one of the reasons put forward to incarcerate me, that I had been threatened by a gang of meth users with a history of home invasion, and my response to ensure my safety in my own home was considered an ‘illness’ that required ‘treatment’ (my story too long to be rewriting here, but my “potential for violence with no history or clear intent” considered a ‘symptom’ rather than a paranoid .elusion of the doctor. Without a history what has he got other than his unreasoned suspicion?). If someone threatens to harm me, it is not an illness to prepare to defend oneself. Ask Barak Obama regarding the extra judicial killing of Anwar al Awlaki. What sort of diagnosis should that incur?

    I’ll check up on this Tarasoff. But if it’s what I think, then the idea of snatching people from their beds to protect an aggressor from someone prepared to defend themselves then its moot.

  • “The drug simply suppresses the manifestations you wanted to have suppressed.” At a cost.

    Did they give you the run down on the negative effects of the drugs William T? I get what your saying about them stopping the voices and I hope that this ‘treatment’ continues to work for you.

    But there are some significant effects of taking these drugs that need to be pointed out. I’m no expert in these drugs and maybe someone with a better knowldge of them can fill in the gaps but the way I understand it your trading 20 years of your life for relief from the voices. Might be a trade your willing to make. Your health will suffer as a result of long term use, might be a trade your ….. There is no guarantee that the drugs will continue to work at the doses your on, might be a trade…… Just as long as you’ve been fully informed of the consequences of taking them is all I would say.

  • This is where we part as a result of the laws being different in our countries.

    This Goldwater Rule is like the protection supposedly written into our Mental Health Act that requires “personal examination” of the “patient” within the previous 48 hours before a referal can be done. In other words if you haven’t actually seen the person, you can’t form any professional opinion about that person. However, that creates problems for psychiatrists who might wish to give someone (oh lets say Mr Trump) a diagnosis like “psycho” (opinions not facts because thats how psychiatry is). But without being able to get near him in his High Castle, they would not be able to do so. Hence he is protected from slander via the Goldwater Rule I assume.

    Whereas where I live all that would need to be done would be for a Nurse to call police and have them make a referral to him/her under s. 195 of the Mental Health Act (police powers), he could then verbal him up with a fraudulent Form 1 and have Mr Trump delivered to a locked ward of a mental institution for an assessment by the psychiatrsits who is all ready to give him a diagnosis of “psycho” and start treatment immediately. Thus the psychiatrist is not making their opinion based on media reports etc, but on an actual assessment conducted against his will, but all perfectly lawful as a result of a police officer suspecting on reasonable grounds that he was suffering from a mental illness and required treatment, makes referral, and the ball starts rolling.

    Send him over here to Australia, we can snatch anyone from the community and start treatment for any illness a Community Nurse makes up on the spot. We call the inducing of ‘mental illness’ ‘chemical restraint’ of course (whinge fukn whinge You can’t lock me up I haven’t done anthing, they’re all the same. Ive got rights waaahahahah) just to get the new patient acting a little strange and get the outcome we desire first. But once we start with the treatments it usually goes downhill from there.

    I tend to agree with the Goldwater Rule as someone who has been targeted by slanderers not wishing the truth to be exposed. But I get it that these ‘Duty to Warn” people are sitting on this weapon and are not being allowed to use it. Like I say though, consider planting a knife after spiking him with benzos and obtaining a police referral to a psychiatrist for an assessment. Put it to rest once and for all with ‘facts’.

    Though I guess like Goldwater the diagnoses might be varied and politically loaded. Meh, the rest of us have to put up with it, why not the President? We are after all, “all in this together”.

    We (Australians) did after all get “Osama bin Laden” in to see George W Bush when he was here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdnAaQ0n5-8

  • A guy I worked with many years ago used to say to me “Never let these contractors make their problems your problem”

    It was a piece of wisdom that served me well over many years, and good to see you repeating it here Oldhead 🙂

    Let the APA worry about it.

    Though I do note how effective the slander has been when it becomes my burden to prove I don’t have an illness that doesn’t exist. The Community Nurse makes up a straw man and my life is destroyed as a result of trying to prove he is a liar and a fraud, to liars and frauds. Oh well, what I know is that someone knows the truth, and those who deny that have their own burden to deal with at some point in the future.

  • That was what the psychiatrist who was working with the Operations Manager to ‘fuking destroy’ me said to my wife. “He has a Hell of a sense of humour”. When they arranged to have a meeting with me to ‘size up’ their opponent before distributing the fraudulent documents, and make arrangements for an ‘accident’ etc.

    We had the meeting and as I got up to leave the Operations Manager repeated her assertion that I was not to approach the Community Nurse who did the torture and kidnapping. So I asked her if she could pass something on to him for me and reached into my pocket, and brought my hand out in her face with my middle finger up (I think you guys call it flipping the bird lol).

    I guess she won in the end because I’ve been fuking destroyed. Though what I do know is that there may just be one or two people within the hospital administration that do not agree with her criminal conduct and gaslighting their ‘clients’ to suicide. The woman is positively vicious, and wants to hope we don’t ever meet on equal ground where she doesn’t have access to police resources to threaten and intimidate witnesses, and doctors who will aid and abet in crimes.

    I’m fairly sure that the young woman in the office that ensured the paper trail back to the authorisation of the fraud (the internal memo from the Clinical Director releasing the “edited” version of events) is one of those people. She may have merely been covering her butt, though I got the impression that there surely were people who looked and were disgusted by what was being done to me (and my family). Though they also have to live with the ‘fixed game’ of the State always winning despite them being responsible for the actions of their officers (see the UN case of Victoria Government being responsible for assaults by police. The claim being that they were acting outside their duties and ergo ….. Not the case, the State IS responsible for the criminal actions of their officers).

    Though the dead tell no tales, and these Emergency Dept ‘admissions’ for ‘treatment’ may save the taxpayer a lot of money given the amount of assaults police and mental health services engage in. As Billy Connelly pointed out, when you tell lies you need to have a good memory, and these public officers are simply too busy for that so just kill them (or hand them over to some brutal bastard who calls themselves a Doctor for experiments) and it goes away.