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A Semantic Quibble? He’s telling lies!
I would imagine, what you have in Toronto is a large anonymous city and “patients in the community” with diagnoses like “Schizophrenia”.
I don’t think Ireland has any law forcing people to take medication outside of hospital; and I’ve often remarked on how in the 1980s it was very uncommon for anyone in crisis to meet police. But at that time everyone (to a certain extent) knew everyone and staff were very diplomatic.
All my hospitalizations bar the first at Ireland, were voluntary – and I made recovery as a result of carefully reducing medication and eventually stopping.
But I also noticed the very high dependency in Ireland (among young men) – on long term injections that eventually turn everyone who takes them into psychiatric patients.
I’m 60 now and most of the “young male patients” I knew in the 1980s have been dead for a long time.
Actually, a lot of the work can now be done by IT and robots. The only reason we need to work is to keep us busy!
“Medication” didn’t work for me.
I remember being amazed when this famous “Psychiatrist”
died prematurely in 2007.
In this recent Biography…
Brendan Kelly & Muiris Houston
“Psychiatrist in the Chair The Official Biography of Anthony Clare”
4.0 out of 5 stars (13)
…its claimed Dr Anthony Clare (towards the end) had suffered from “Depression”. I wonder if “medications” might have caused his heart attack at 64 years of age.
(As I got older myself I had to stop taking even minuscule “medication”, because of the heart rhythm problems the “medication” was causing).
The “Antipsychotics” have nearly killed me a few times.
I’d imagine in the UK that the emergency services cannot deal with the amount of people in distress begging for help; and I wonder why, at the same time, doctors put so much emphasis on minor indisgressions of “well” people. It’s a conundrum.
Beautiful article Karin,
These labels are too much trouble (I think)!
11.35 minutes into this clip a man speaks in a straightforward tone of his daughter being safe, but his son being still trapped in the rubble (while bodies are being removed).
Politicians today, talking about other peoples tragedies often wipe a tear from their eyes.
I agree completely.
Thank You Dana for your Informative Article, I’m very interested in the airing of this subject.
James, Is the Council of Evidence based Psychiatry limited to ‘Professionals’?
Dr Timimi (correction of Above)
Tranquillisers will always fail over time:-
“…Seeman, in his studies of drug-induced dopamine supersensitivity, concluded in 2007 that this was why antipsychotics fail over time….”
I know a chap in London who gets a decent rate for being “mentally ill”, he’s prescribed medication which he can take or not take – and the doctor is happy as well!
As someone thats successfully withdrawn from Neuroleptic Depot Injections and made Longterm Recovery as a result (and can substantiate this), can I become active in the Council and attend your Meetings?
For me Recovery from “Schizophrenia” involved coming off the strong psychiatric drugs very carefully; and learning how to deal with the “High Anxiety”, the exposure to these drugs had caused!
That’s my experience!
When I came back to London in 1986 the ‘Irish Social Worker’ I had seen in 1980 asked me if I still took drugs, and I told him I did take a little prescribed medication; he shook his head and said “no, I mean street drugs”.
He was 100% convinced I had been under the influence of illicit substance when I visited him in 1980. “Schizophrenia” had not at all been on his Radar.
We all know that attacking “witches” in the “middle ages” was ignorant and wrong, but it seems the same thing is going on today and “everyone” accepts it, and its “legally” promoted.
(In the Middle Ages the Witchfinders even had a Special Book they could refer to to prove that the person really was a Witch).
If there’s ‘no such thing’ as Autism then where do the Doctors promoting Autism go? They have no ‘skills’ in any other area.
I wouldn’t (myself) argue with the term Dual Diagnosis, but I would argue with Psychologists mixing themselves up with peer groups.
The Hearing Voices “peer” groups in London are all run by “officials” and are mostly only open during normal working hours. In whose benefit is this?
One thing that people that take “medication” often recognize is – that when they try to stop taking the “medication” they immediately run into trouble. But this phenomenon can now be scientifically explained :-
The only requirement for membership to the AA (as far as I know) – is a desire to stop drinking.
Thank you Dr Timimi,
What I noticed in the Maudsley Hospital in London in 1980 was that it was full of young people who looked like they had nothing wrong with them, describing themselves as “Schizophrenic” and “Manic Depressive”.
I could do without medication in 1980. But when I tried to come off medication in 1983, I found myself running into serious trouble:-
Up to $7,000 per month equalling (up to) $84,000 per year – Who Pays??
I thought it was common knowledge that ‘antipsychotics’ often ‘masked’ the symptoms of Tardive Dyskinesia until the drug was withdrawn. Do the new “TD drugs” operate in the same way?
I notice a lot of focus on loneliness these days and it’s a bit like when famous people claim to be BiPolar. The famous people are lovable for having it but an ordinary person might be inferior.
“…While social isolation is a physical and social reality, it does not necessitate that the experience of loneliness ensues….” This is true.
“…The state of agitation that sudden or too-fast withdrawal of the stimulant can induce will look like the “ADHD” coming back with a vengeance, convincing all, including the doctors—few of whom seem to understand the above process—that the child really does need the amphetamine for more “normal” functioning…”
The researchers explain that “relapse” of psychotic experiences after discontinuing antipsychotics, especially very soon after stopping the drug, is likely due to withdrawal effects. One strong piece of evidence for this is that people who don’t have psychotic experiences but who are given antipsychotics for other, unrelated conditions (like nausea or lactation problems) sometimes end up experiencing psychosis after stopping the drugs…”
Most people “relapse” when they “stop” taking “their medication”.
Are these drugs likely to cause Tardive Dyskinesia, or make Tardive Dyskinesia worse in the long run?
Great comment, registeredforthissite.
Baby Deaths Tragedy
Is it possible that ‘legitimate’ medical practice has been the problem here.
Thank you Dr Tamimi,
You explain things very well.
Thank you for this Article,
“…Throughout these writings, she has challenged many assertions of mainstream psychiatry, often to the annoyance of leading figures in the field…”
I can identify!
This is very good information!
It would mean that Black People were NOT 10 times more likely to be diagnosed “Schizophrenic” as white people.
“….In 2006, ÆSOP reported a ninefold increase in the risk of developing schizophrenia in black Caribbeans when compared with the white British population:….”
But “Mental Health Care” (IMO) is a load of Bo**ocks, anyway!
“…..indeed probably most of modern medicine is manufactured and shaped and spun by experts….”
If you factor for, infant mortality infectious disease, and accidents you would probably find life expectancy to be better among basic people, 100 years ago, than it is now.
Using the Internet to provide what people need!
Thank you Dr Emaline, I hope I’m not too far off topic.
When I came off Drugs “suitable for Schizophrenia” I still had to learn how to cope with the Disabling Anxiety the exposure to the drugs had caused*.
I learned to cope with the Disabling Anxiety in the same way as someone might learn to cope with Normal Anxiety. So I think “Schizophrenia” might be considered a condition of “Disabling Anxiety” – that easily falls within the scope of human assistance.
When Psychologist Rufus May Phd ..
..advises “Schizophrenics” in distress – his advice is often very simple and straightforward (but maybe not obvious to the distressed person at the time).
When medical doctor and Psychotherapist, Dr Terry Lynch brings a terminal “Schizophrenic” “back to life”, he cheerfully helps the person to gradually build themselves up with tasks, to demonstrate their real ability to them.
*I initially refused strong Psychiatric Drugs (and remained non functional for the years I consumed them, costing the Irish taxpayer a Lot of Money).
“…Walden who lost a son to opioids . . “. They killed lots and lots of people; but if they go to prison – who else might eventually go to prison?
Medically Psychopathic Behaviour
“….An inquest in 2018 ruled that the use of olanzapine was appropriate …”
What the Inquest says is “..if necessary a doctor can kill a patient in MH..”
This is a case that Doctors have been ‘found out’ in, but the reality could be – that they regularly Kill within ‘Mental Health’, and consider it to be their right to do so.
I have presented my own experience previously on Mad In America.
Insanity or Akathisia
The treatments cause “Schizophrenia”:-
I was okay not taking ‘medication’ in 1980, but by 1983 when I tried to come off ‘medication’, I couldn’t survive (inside my head) without it.
This phenomenon has been acknowledged recently by “Experts in the Field”:-
The ‘Elephant in the Living Room’ here, has got to be that most “Schizophrenics” that “Act Out” in the Community have recently come off “medication” (and are not suffering from “Insanity” but from “Drug Induced Withdrawal Syndrome” i.e. They Are Innocent).
There are no vitamins in the supermarket!
The whole thing about this “form of medicine”, is to gain “co operation” from the patient.
Schizophrenia is treatable isnt it? So if the person gets treatment they get on with their lives don’t they?
Thank You Dr Timimi,
I’ll need to read this article carefully.
Macdonaldisation:- about 2 million people are in jail in America, 1% percent of people in America are estimated ‘Schizophrenic’ , 1% estimated Autistic, up to 10% with ADHD, several per cent estimated Bipolar, and several per cent Depressed and Anxious. So theres lots of ‘unreliable’ people in the Country.
This is the correct LINK
Once a person processed as a Psychiatric Patient tries to come off their “antipsychotics” they will more than likely go MAD.
When a “Schizophrenic” stops taking his “medication” he generally “relapses” – as does a person misdiagnosed with “Schizophrenia” (and put on “medication”).
Apologies if I’m slightly off topic above.
I never really got to sample the “new wonder drugs” because by the time these drugs came to the market I had cut mysdlf down to miniscule non intrusive doses of the really old drugs, and that was good enough for me.
Then the old drugs were removed and I did try miniscule doses of the new drugs.
Ultimately my GPs tried to make out I must be severely unwell mentally because I was prepared to consume very small doses of these new drugs, so I stopped taking the new drugs, but when I did I also discovered that they had no psychiatric effect whatsoever, at the level I had consumed them.
I wondered why my UK GP s were so keen to attempt to discredit me – but as it happens I can see issues in my history that would provide reasons for their behaviour.
Thank you Alex,
A recent Article in Jama Psychiatry from Mark Howoritz, (Sir) Robin Murray, and David Taylor, Scientifically contradicts in my opinion – the use of CTOs.
VERY SLOW AS OPPOSED TO ABRUPT TAPER
The article recommends a Slow Neuroleptic Tapering approach. And “Neuroleptic Withdrawal Induced Psychosis” is acknowledged as a problem / as opposed to “Abrupt Medication Discontinuation Relapse”.
CTO ABRUPT NEUROLEPTIC TAPER
Since most attempted Neuroleptic Withdrawals fall into an Abrupt Category, then these failed Withdrawals do not indicate “Relapse or Return of Illness” but “Problems with Drug Withdrawal”.
Horowitz, Murray, and Taylor write,
“…As there is some evidence that not all patients need lifelong antipsychotic treatment and some may have improved social functioning when taking less or no antipsychotic, cautious deprescribing should be a component of high-quality prescribing practice….”
ABRUPT TAPER VERSUS VERY SLOW TAPER
My own MH Records reflect:- 4 Hospitalizations a Suicide Attempt and “A Near Miss” in 5 Months, following the Permission to withdraw Abruptly from a Fluphenazine Depot Injection ; and 36 Years of Continual Wellness following my own decision to Taper Very Carefully.
In my own case a Very Careful Neuroleptic Taper wasn’t enough, I still need to gain an understanding of how my “Neuroleptic Withdrawal High Anxiety” “Worked” and “What I could do about it”.
The Heading says it!
(I consider “mental health” to be a law into itself -)…
Steve, I notice that I have more or less disappeared from the Discussion section. Is there any reason for this?
…Rain without thunder and lightning.
Everything useful presented in this Research, by the World Experts on the Subject, has already been presented on Mad in America (by the “independently recovered”) – but the professional acknowledgement (IMO) is also very worthwhile.
(I consider “Mental Health” to be a law unto itself .
When I complained at a GP Surgery some years ago about genuine misuse of information:- a “doctor” by way of comment recorded to my notes: “…mildly agitated but no sign of thought disorder..”. Which would be like me saying: “..I have full confidence that Dr xxx has not engaged in shoplifting in the past six months..” )
Hi Ted, Scary Stuff.
Singer Bob Geldoff confided that after his wife’s tragic death some years ago he seriously considered suicide as an option – but he wasn’t incarcerated for this.
UK Comedian Russell Brand supposedly has a diagnosis of “Bipolar” and Singer Elton John’s behaviour was supposedly erratic at one time – but neither of these stars were conferred with a (UK type) “Conservativeship”.
Sponging off the Welfare State
Since the Psychiatric system has little success anyway, I believe the genuine “Experts” are the people that reject the Psychiatric system.
I was diagnosed as a relapsing “Schizophrenic” in Western Ireland, until I made Recovery 30 plus years ago as a result of stopping Psychiatric treatment.
At this time 30 plus years ago: My Psychiatrist (a University Researcher) was on the examining board of the Royal College of Psychiatrists; and the Professor of Pharmacology (at the local University), was President of the British Association of Psychopharmacologists.
Psychiatry today is still useless
Another 1st Class exposure, Lawrence.
It’s even possible to develop withdrawal syndrome while consuming drugs like Xanax.
I’d imagine most normal people experience positive and negative social thoughts inside their heads, as people are social beings and life is socially competitive.
In my experience very few qualified doctors are capable of distinguishing between a social thought inside a person’s head and the hearing of Voices outside a person’s head.
In this recent paper from prominent individuals..
…It is possible for people diagnosed with “Schizophrenia” to survive successfully without “medication” but it would be recommended they withdraw very carefully from neuroleptics, as these drugs can cause weaknesses in the brains systems.
As far as I know the authors don’t recommend any methods for dealing with the “Neuroleptic Exposure High Anxiety”
– this is what’s missing from the paper.
The solutions can be found in Straightforward Psychology.
Its amazing how successful the ‘information block’ (in these times) can be. People that ‘rock the boat’ can find themselves permanently unemployable.
“Peer” has got to be mutual support from others with similar experience. The Hearing Voices Network in London is only open during normal working hours, and I believe mostly supervised by non voice hearers. Can this be “peer” support?
Your account reminds me of my “Rehabilitation” many years ago, when a nurse explained to me that the way to get into work, was to start with half days and extend to full days.
I remember visiting a friend of mind (a shrewd psychiatric survivor) at the time, who advised me to go back to my Specialist and get my restlesness sorted out.
Once the restlessness was sorted out, I didn’t need rehabilitation .
Akithisia is “Stereotypical” – All Psychiatric staff should be able to identify it; and should be prepared to approach doctors neglecting their professional duties.
The main expressed problem my Consultant Psychiatrist had with me (many years ago) was my “inability to maintain routine” – but it was him that was sponging off the Welfare State – NOT me.
Thank you Sam.
Thank you Chris,
Akathisia Killing Fields
I attended a ‘Mental Health Legal Function’ in Central London several years ago where a prominent Mental Health Lawyer/Tribunal Representative provided an informative speech to newly qualified Mental Health Lawyers.
When I brought up the subject of Non Acknowledgement of Akathisia in Involuntary Mental Health Treatment with the speaker – his Answer was automatic and ‘off the cuff’ – he said that if Akathisia were acknowledged, then Doctors would NOT be able to prescribe the ‘medications’, (he then blushed very strongly).
The average family doctor prescriber is not even aware!
Response to GP s Delisting Letter
on the Anniversary of George Colley (Irish TDs) Death in 1983.
What I mean is: People with Lived Experience of Voices are the suitable Guides in the area of Voices.
Thank you for writing this, it is very helpful.
You’re ‘mental health drug withdrawal’ experience sounds as bad as a ‘dreadful illness’. I have my own personal experience of similar.
It’s possible to carefully stop taking drugs ‘suitable for Schizophrenia’; to experience Extreme Anxiety as a result; and to overcome this Extreme Anxiety (through normal Psychological Means).
People with personal experience are the experts not the Psychological or Psychiatric Systems.
“Drug Withdrawal Rebound Relapse Effect” explains the Creation of Schizophrenia.
If most people “relapse” fairly quickly when they come off “medication” – then most people don’t genuinely “relapse”.
This acknowledgement by the “experts” is better late than never.
It took me 6 years 1984 – 1990 to come down from a 25 mg monthly injection of modecate (“suitable for schizophrenia”) to 25mg of oral mellaril per day (suitable for hiccoughs). But my Drug induced disability ended in 1984.
Are the people wishing not to take ‘medication’ ‘psychotic’, or do they just have problems. If they were ‘psychotic’ surely they wouldn’t be able to communicate.
‘Psychotic’ is probably one of the worst things that can be said about a person!
I believe there’s a basic rule in terms of consuming substance; that any substance that makes a person feel better in the Short Term, will eventually make them feel worse in the Long Term.
I “relapsed” several times when I attempted to come off “Neuroleptic Medication” (abruptly) – but I didn’t relapse when I tapered carefully (and learned to cope with Neuroleptic Withdrawal “High Anxiety”):-
“….The researchers explain that “relapse” of psychotic experiences after discontinuing antipsychotics, especially very soon after stopping the drug, is likely due to withdrawal effects….”
I considered myself to be “in the clear” once I was no longer taking disabling doses of medication, because I could get on with my life.
To kill them, maybe.
I believe it’s fairly difficult for a person to pass themselves off as disabled in the UK, other than in the area of Mental Health. I wonder why this is?
Hi Karin, excellent article.
If a person can sit with suffering (even as an experiment) for a period of time, it can be amazing how the suffering can transform into something else.
Most acts of “Mental Health Suicide/Violence/Homicide” in my opinion are caused by Psychiatric Treatments, and society would be far safer without involuntary treatment. I can produce a lot of reliable evidence from my Medical Records to support this opinion.
“Anosgonosia” could probably be applied to anyone.
There’s been so many deaths on Fluphenazine that retrospectively could be traced to Akathisia and the Drug, that Doctors and Governments are hiding the information and getting away with it.
There’s also an unbelievable Withdrawal Syndrome attached to Fluphenazine WHICH can be overcome with help and patience i.e the “Schizophrenic” can walk again.
BUT, People are still being criminalized for acting out on these drugs.
What are their LAWYERS doing?
“….In 1998, Donald Schell, who had been taking Paxil (an SSRI) for two days, shot and killed his wife, Rita, his daughter, Deborah, and his nine-month-old granddaughter, Alyssa, and then killed himself. In 2001, a Wyoming jury in Tobin vs. SmithKline Beecham found:
“…SmithKline 80% liable for Schell’s actions…holding that ‘Paxil can cause some individuals to commit homicide and/or suicide.’” (here)…”
“…Psychiatrists are defined by their ability to dispense pills ostensibly designed to treat diseases of the mind. ..”
We all know people that have recovered. Did they Recover through taking pills, or not taking Pills?
As well as not taking Pills they would have utilised some type of “saving practise” – would this have been Psychotherapy or Something Else? I think Something Else.
Most recovered people probably found their own way.
*It’s important to only come off ‘medication’ VERY carefully.
Because if you talk about it “they’ll” come and get you.
Thank You Philip,
Fluphenazine began to (discretely) go out of business in 2016. I would say that this drug was responsible for its own Holocaust. I would even say that Fluphenazine probably killed more “diagnosed people” than “the Nazis” did.
Many Thanks Wendy,
It’s good that you survived to tell your story and help other people in the same predicament.
I’m going to study your website.
Hi, interestingly enough I was attempting to look through the life expectancy rates of different UK ethnic groups (in the past few days). I was able to find information on several groups but strangely could not find any reliable information on the Life Expectancy Of UK Afro Caribeannn People.
Chinese men in the UK had the highest disability free life expectancy and Asian women in certain groups had much lower disability free rates even though their life expectancy was the same as average.
But Irish Travellers and Romany People (the traditionally discriminated against), had a VERY low life expectancy of 50 years – for men. This could point to the fact that discriminated people die a lot sooner even, than might be expected.
I hope I’m not too far “off theme” in my comment here.
The Psychiatric Antidepressant approach is a form of Insanity.
I find topical psychiatric SEXUAL discussion a bit amusing as for the time I consumed any level of “therepeutic psychiatric chemotherapy” I was incapable of any type of sexual performance. At this time Sexual fulfillment was also probably the least of my problems.
Good Advice tapernurse and kindredspirit.
“…“While tapering can be uneventful, no doctor can guarantee a safe and successful withdrawal at this time.” Which is good reason the doctors should stop prescribing the SSRIs and SNRIs in the first place…”
Exactly! There’s no point on going on drugs that cause more serious “problems”, than a person has.
The average UK doctor (as far as I know) is not even realistically informed on what AKATHISIA is – and if they were realistically informed, (IMO) they would not prescribe ‘antidepressants’.
Anti depressants can cause suicide and Homicide and this is medically accepted, but when someone on antidrepessants goes mad and kills another person, the “authorities” tend not to know what to do.
Maybe there’s just (unresolved) “anxiety”.
Of Blessed Memory of Julie Greene:- All the Scientific Evidence points to the ‘Medical Approach’ making matters worse; and those that Genuinely Recover, recovering through abandoning the ‘Medical Approach’.